smoking ban: blatantly disregarded
 

There is this cafe near my house that is technically within the city limits of a city which has an in-door smoking ban...but it is very close to a city which doesn't.

They allow smoking inside, and even sell cigarettes and provide ash trays. I asked them about it once and they said that if I wanted them to call the smoking police, they would.

It kind of bothers me because I have asthma...but I used to smoke.

Thoughts?

burn them a copy of rathaer ripe

A smoking ban has been passed in my city too.

When it goes into effect I won't be able to drink in bars anymore. I just won't be able to do it. I can't! I won't!!!

Smoking's just a bad habit. I don't know why smokers have been indulged for so long.

They're just a bunch of whiners.

Its an awful habit, I know.

But if I want to have a cigarette while getting smashed, then by god I should be able to!!!!!!!!

you can always go to a bar with a patio?

Maybe.

We don't have bars with patios. And what happens when its snowy, or rainy.

I think we should stop trying to find solutions for smokers. I'll say it again, it's just a bad habit.

Unfortunately it's a bad habit that kills not just you, but other people who have no choice but to breathe in your toxic smoke.

Yes, I understand that too.

But what gets me is the people who give these laws fuel are people who in more cases than not are people who would never be in an enviroment with smokers to begin with.

Like the people who go out to the 'smoking area' at work on their break, not to smoke, to just sit there and bitch about the smell of the smoke.

yeah seriously!
fuck all you smokin assholes

I totally respect the smoking ban, because our bad habits should not damage other people that dont smoke. But I hate it when people are giving me a hard time for smoking. It's my choice, right?

dont judge people like that. I dont call you a asshole for being a non-smoker.

I don't know about that because I never go to any smoking areas. I think that most laws relating to smoking in the workplace are either for insurance reasons or to protect workers in public places.

I think that people should be free to smoke but non-smokers should have the freedom to enjoy being smoke-free.

Reminds me of Steve Martin. In a restaurant a man asks him, 'Do you mind if I smoke?', and he replies, 'no, do you mind if I fart?'

Maybe if they banned smoking all together this would be much easier.

Or everybody came to their collective senses & stopped paying tobacco companies to kill them.

That too.

They are putting more and more nicotine in cigarettes lately.

I read that somewhere, even in 'light' cigrarettes.

HAHA, I'm not disputing that they aren't assholes. Damn it, they've got me hooked.

the thing that makes me most sick is that people still smoke, fully knowing the disgusting, highly toxic things in them. you could roll yr own, and it would (not sure, but presumably) be cheaper? and also wouldn't be full of ammonia and tar, etc. (light cigarettes are DIPPED in ammonia?!?!?!?!)

I don't smoke cigarettes, but I'm thinking about starting just to spite all you morons that want to control other people.

They don't want to control anyone, but they don't want to inhale what we release from our blackened lungs.

I hate smoking in public places, it smells like shit. The worst part is that smokers can't smell it. (I don't smoke) I really hate cheap cigs too because they smell even worse.

yeah that'll be good, you can die soon, lol

i agree with what pookie was saying, and i'm a smoker. good riddance to it, i say.

smoking bans are fucking retarded.

yes, we can. i can smell it and i fucking chain smoke. the only difference is that i'm completely used to it.

What is smoking?

I'm drinking St. Peter's Cream Stout

that's relevant.

exactly

Smoking in an enclosed public space with a one-night-only attraction like a touring rock show with no "alternative venue" to patronize instead is rude as fuck.
Social engineering issues aside, I don't give two shits about "smokers' rights" in instances such as these. I lived in your fucking world long enough. If I can endure an eye-stinging, throat-burning, shower-inducing environment for the sake of my music fandom for years and years on fucking end, smokers can go ahead and go without for two hours and suffer for theirs.

Daycare. I'm concerned. Are you an alcoholic?

Pretty much, case closed.

Though, I'm still going to bitch about not being able to smoke in a bar.

Probably not.

Good observation, though. I'm just extra-depressed and nihilistic this month.

i'm always nihilistic. what's your goddamn point?

my point is that I'm "extra"

i can't believe i'm even saying this, but there are other things to do besides drink, because honestly, it's not going to fix anything.

Indeed, as you should. I know I bitched about smoking quite often over the past two decades I spent in poorly-ventilated venues.
I understand there are issues of "liberty" and "social engineering" around this, but I am speaking from pure selfishness and the strain of decades of enduring an environment where I often had to leave early due to stinging eyes and throat (not to mention the smell) when I rant about this stuff.

ALL laws are social engineering, as is all civic planning, building of roads over rail systems (or vice versa), any infrastructure decisions. Hell, even where and how stadiums are built is social engineering. This is a drop in the bucket compared to so much else....

i can't believe i'm even saying this, but there are other things to do besides drink, because honestly, it's not going to fix anything.


Neither is anything else you do. So drink up!

haha...yeah I know...

what DOES fix anything though? I find myself increasingly in a world of isolation. No one cares because they have their own little world that doesn't involve me.

go out and play with your friends.