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Tokolosh 09.05.2006 03:42 AM

Art or Arse? You be the judge.
 
 


Art or Arse

Damien Hirst got his fish in a tank
some say it's art others think it's wank
Sarah Kent says he's doing quite well
you gotta make your art and you gotta sell

Tracey Emin is a media whore
so what the hell's she crying for
everyone agrees her art is shit
she's made her bed now she lies in it

Duchamp signed his old piss pot
it was ant-art you silly twot
now I think you've all lost the plot
you'd call it art if it was Sarah Lucas's snot

Charles Saatchi the Svengali
he's in love with Mammon and appearing arty
he gave Damien the shark and told him to suff it
but he'll go down in history as Thatcher's puppet

now the Turner Prize is run by a joker
who goes by the name of Sir Nicholas Serota
he wants to be weird and avant garde
but the poor old girl's just trying too hard

if Turner was alive he'd be spinning in his grave
he'd raise his hand and give the two fingered wave
you think it's art but it's arse
to con you mugs isn't very hard

(c) Childish 1996/2000

Stuckism is a radical and controversial art group that was co-founded in 1999 by Charles Thomson and Billy Childish (who left in 2001) along with eleven other artists. The name was derived by Thomson from an insult to Childish from his ex-girlfriend, Brit artist Tracey Emin, who had told him that his art was 'Stuck'. Stuckists are pro-contemporary figurative painting with ideas and anti-conceptual art, mainly because of its lack of concepts. Stuckists have regularly demonstrated dressed as clowns against the Turner Prize. Several Stuckist Manifestos have been issued. One of them Remodernism inaugurates a renewal of spiritual values for art, culture and society to replace the emptiness of current Postmodernism. The web site www.stuckism.com, started by Ella Guru, has disseminated these ideas, and in five years Stuckism has grown to an international art movement with over 100 groups round the world. These groups are independent and self-directed.

porkmarras 09.05.2006 03:46 AM

Oh,i've seen that a few weeks ago.It's as rubbish as the rubbish they are commenting on.The very fact that these 'geniuses' use their 'work' to slag off irrelevant 'artists' is a sign of a complete lack of ideas.I'm Brian Sewell so i'd know.

Tokolosh 09.05.2006 04:14 AM

Co-founder with Charles Thomson of the Stuckist Art Group in January 1999 , Billy Childish’s activities have always been firmly rooted in the underground and his methods - now being trendily feted as ‘guerilla’ - have gained him both the respect and envy of those who pose as 'being on the margin' whilst still enjoying the benefits of a corporate budget.

Some of the artists of the Stuckists movement really appeal to me. I like the approach they have to art. Charles Williams, William Redgrave, Gina Bold and of coarse Sexton Ming's provocative work.
 

"DELIVERANCE"
24" x 36"
Acrylic on board

I like painting queers and animals and witches. They are outcasts. Please have kind thoughts when you look at my work. I can hear what you think. Let me rest. I don't like ARTY TYPES. Ralph Steadman called me a failed interlectual (sic)."'

And still more, on the eve of the opening of the first Stuckist exhibition, 15 September 1999:

"You want a fisting? I'll fist you, you cunt! And I won't use any lubricant! Your arse will look like shredded wheat when I've finished with you!

"Do you like my paintings? Well, fuck you, you cunt. Go stick some pipe up your arse!

"I don't like you and you don't like me so let's fuck. I don't like anyone really. So I guess I'm fucked over. I'm an angry young man who's getting old.

"I like to shit. And I like painting it. So fuck you up your arse you cunt. Donąt talk to me else I'll smash your face in. You can go hang by your bollocks.

Sexton Ming

cryptowonderdruginvogue 09.05.2006 04:16 AM

ehhhh....

Tokolosh 09.05.2006 04:25 AM

Brian Sewell is a member of the Catholic Church, so that doesn't surprise me pork. He also raises awareness of issues surrounding circumcision and other forms of surgical alteration of the genitals.

 

porkmarras 09.05.2006 04:26 AM

?????????

Tokolosh 09.05.2006 04:31 AM

I don't really know much about him, but he comes over as a very interesting person.

porkmarras 09.05.2006 04:34 AM

He's one of my favourite art critics.He infuriates me at times and i don't always agree with him but i've never read something by him that didn't interest me at the very least.

cryptowonderdruginvogue 09.05.2006 04:37 AM

as long as they listen to rather ripped, they are cool in my book

Tokolosh 09.05.2006 04:40 AM

I'm looking at this site and there's some really interesting stuff about him and well known Brit artists. the mp3's of "I wanna be your man" and "He's so sexy" are well worth listening to.

Tokolosh 09.05.2006 04:42 AM

If i'm not mistaken Chabib could have interests in his work. Give peace (piece) a chance.

porkmarras 09.05.2006 04:43 AM

He has a habit for being unmerciful wich is a godsent gift in the artworld.

Tokolosh 09.05.2006 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cryptowonderdruginvogue
as long as they listen to rather ripped, they are cool in my book


Are you trying to be cuntish like Daycare?

Tokolosh 09.05.2006 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porkmarras
He has a habit for being unmerciful wich is a godsent gift in the artworld.


And how! :)

porkmarras 09.05.2006 05:12 AM

Who, in your opinion, should win the Turner prize?
Judy Grey, Gillingham
Nicholas Serota, for furthering so many worthless careers.

porkmarras 09.05.2006 05:14 AM

You are famous for your feuds. Which one is or was your favourite?
Katherine Armfelt, London
Am I? I am unaware of it. If feuds there be, then they are with the Arts Council, the Serota tendency and the BBC, all of which regard themselves as above criticism. They have been exhausting and debilitating; they have resulted in my total exclusion from the seas of public influence, power and patronage. But the Vicar of Bray has never been my role mod

porkmarras 09.05.2006 05:17 AM

Is it true that you believe that there have been no great women painters because women are not talented enough? Are you a misogynist?
Christine Smith, by e-mail
I am a misanthrope rather than a misogynist, not good with people, far too shy, no social graces. As for women painters, I suspect that intuitively they are more intellectually honest than male painters, better judges of themselves and more inclined to retreat into deserved obscurity. Look at women who are famous for their art and you find nothing but blind immodesty.

porkmarras 09.05.2006 05:18 AM

How should we be commemorating the anniversary of 11 September?
Sarah Jasper, London
We shall, but I am not sure that we should. Was it not, to some extent, our own fault?

porkmarras 09.05.2006 05:19 AM

Which living artist would you least like to be stuck in a lift with?
Nina Spencer, by e-mail
Tracey Emin with a full bladder.

porkmarras 09.05.2006 05:20 AM

What is your opinion of the art works that you have inspired? For example, Francine Germaine-Wilson's 'Brian Sewell has a Tiny Cock' and the statue of you by students at Central St Martins.
Gary Hawke, Colchester
Inspired? I've seen none of them, nor have their makers seen me.

Tokolosh 09.05.2006 05:22 AM

Cool site heh?

Tokolosh 09.05.2006 05:26 AM

I'd like to see The Naked Pilgrim - Road To Santiago.
Looks great!

porkmarras 09.05.2006 05:29 AM

An Alphabet of Villains
Author: Brian Sewell
A collection of more than 100 reviews and articles about 20th century artists by Brian Sewell, art critic for "The Evening Standard". Originally published as "The Reviews That Caused the Rumpus", this is a revised edition which also features the best of Sewell's work.

porkmarras 09.05.2006 05:30 AM

^^My favourite section on the evening standard has always been him.

porkmarras 09.05.2006 05:31 AM

Rubbish:


 

Tracey Emin
Every Part of Me's Bleeding
lLeft top: "Soba Sex" 1999, neon 20x50 in. edition of three.
Left bottom: "My Bed" 1998, (detail) middle: "My Bed" 1998
mattress, linens, pillows, rope, various memorabilia.

Background right: "The History of Painting" 1998,
three pregnancy tests, morning after pills
five cases: wood, plexiglas with tampons,
blood, tissue.

(detail) foreground: "My Cunt is Wet with Fear 1998,
neon 10x55 in. edition of three.

The work itself is not as interesting as the effect it has
upon the public. Our prurient juices might flow, arousing
entanglements of distance, desire and voyeurism.
We might dismiss it outright, incredulous that such a
base and brazen display gets attention as Art. We might
see the work as the necessary weapon of an heroic
victim, the bloodied sword of a warrior in the
sex and gender wars. We might stand aside
as it incites the critics to criticize and the media
to mediate, thereby establishing a market value
for itself. Finally, the idea of meeting
her at a party might make us nervous.

porkmarras 09.05.2006 05:32 AM

My cunt is sweet with fear.Oh dear.

porkmarras 09.05.2006 05:34 AM

Emin's rude text on eBay




A swear word texted by art rebel Tracey Emin is up for sale on eBay for Ł20, labelled as art.
The message, which reads simply 'T***', is being flogged by David West.
He got the artist's number from a notice she put up in East London asking if anyone had seen her cat.
He texted her a summary of a newspaper article about her and she sent back the obscenity. Mr West, of North London, is selling framed copies of the text.
In an ad for BT, Emin said: 'Art's everywhere. A text message could even be art.'

porkmarras 09.05.2006 05:41 AM

 

Tokolosh 09.05.2006 05:43 AM

Are ya serious. Rubbish? I don't like all her work but some of it is interesting. I like her installations like Everyone I have ever slept with and her mono prints. Didn't she make the crucified jesus sculpture out of cigarettes?

porkmarras 09.05.2006 05:45 AM

Wow.This is the bansky outside where i work.It's faded a lot because they've tried to wash it off:


 

porkmarras 09.05.2006 05:46 AM

Her work is complete and utter rubbish.Hirst is occasionally interesting.

Tokolosh 09.05.2006 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porkmarras
Her work is complete and utter rubbish.Hirst is occasionally interesting.


Ok. You're entitled to your own opinion about her.
Bangsy's brilliant. Did you take that photo?

porkmarras 09.05.2006 05:53 AM

No i've found it on google.That must have been taken pre 'Bansky can fuck off'.Some irate Hayward Gallery(wich is next door) visitor i imagine.hehe

porkmarras 09.05.2006 05:54 AM

No no it's there if you look closely.You can see the 'Bansky can fuck off' scribble.

Toilet & Bowels 09.05.2006 08:17 AM

i don't like banksy
i like the idea of the stuckists but none of them are actually any good at making art in my opinion
there's a photo by tracy emin called "i've got it all" that i like, i don't care for the rest of her work
hirst i like some times, his new stuff with the dead flies is cool.

porkmarras 09.05.2006 08:58 AM

I like his work purely on a graphic level.The depth that he adds to the images he uses works fine within the contest of what it does but it remains to be seen if he will pass the test of time.As far as Emin and Hirst are concerned,the former is so conceptual as to be generally vacuous and the latter seems to lack the consistency wich ultimately keeps one's work in the annals of serious art.

Hip Priest 09.05.2006 10:02 AM

Stuckism is a radical and controversial art group that was co-founded in 1999 by Charles Thomson and Billy Childish (who left in 2001) along with eleven other artists. The name was derived by Thomson from an insult to Childish from his ex-girlfriend, Brit artist Tracey Emin, who had told him that his art was 'Stuck'. Stuckists are pro-contemporary figurative painting with ideas and anti-conceptual art, mainly because of its lack of concepts. Stuckists have regularly demonstrated dressed as clowns against the Turner Prize. Several Stuckist Manifestos have been issued. One of them Remodernism inaugurates a renewal of spiritual values for art, culture and society to replace the emptiness of current Postmodernism. The web site www.stuckism.com, started by Ella Guru, has disseminated these ideas, and in five years Stuckism has grown to an international art movement with over 100 groups round the world. These groups are independent and self-directed.[/quote]

There was a major stuckist exhibition in Liverpool, at the Walker Art Gallery. Part of the general trend of many museums and art galleries refusing to challenge visitors with anything intelligent. 'Stuckist Manifesto'? What do they think they are?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tokolosh
Brian Sewell is a member of the Catholic Church, so that doesn't surprise me pork. He also raises awareness of issues surrounding circumcision and other forms of surgical alteration of the genitals.

 


When Brian Sewell appeared on Have I Got News For You?, Ian Hislop remarked that they shared a mutual friend. Sewell's response was to comment that he failed to see how any friend of his could possibly also be a friend of Hislop's. I like Ian Hislop a lot, as it happens, but that was quite funny. Sewell's OK on the whole, although I like that Dixon fellow too. And Waldemar Januszczak is excellent.

Great women artists? Hilda Carline and Susan Hiller, to name but two.

Tokolosh 09.05.2006 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hip Priest
When Brian Sewell appeared on Have I Got News For You?, Ian Hislop remarked that they shared a mutual friend. Sewell's response was to comment that he failed to see how any friend of his could possibly also be a friend of Hislop's. I like Ian Hislop a lot, as it happens, but that was quite funny. Sewell's OK on the whole, although I like that Dixon fellow too. And Waldemar Januszczak is excellent.

Great women artists? Hilda Carline and Susan Hiller, to name but two.


I didn't see that show, but I can imagine how Sewell can be pretty funny when he's cocky. Will check out those other two artists. Thanks.

jon boy 09.05.2006 10:13 AM

tracy emin = pointless twat.

porkmarras 09.05.2006 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hip Priest
Stuckism is a radical and controversial art group that was co-founded in 1999 by Charles Thomson and Billy Childish (who left in 2001) along with eleven other artists. The name was derived by Thomson from an insult to Childish from his ex-girlfriend, Brit artist Tracey Emin, who had told him that his art was 'Stuck'. Stuckists are pro-contemporary figurative painting with ideas and anti-conceptual art, mainly because of its lack of concepts. Stuckists have regularly demonstrated dressed as clowns against the Turner Prize. Several Stuckist Manifestos have been issued. One of them Remodernism inaugurates a renewal of spiritual values for art, culture and society to replace the emptiness of current Postmodernism. The web site www.stuckism.com, started by Ella Guru, has disseminated these ideas, and in five years Stuckism has grown to an international art movement with over 100 groups round the world. These groups are independent and self-directed.


There was a major stuckist exhibition in Liverpool, at the Walker Art Gallery. Part of the general trend of many museums and art galleries refusing to challenge visitors with anything intelligent. 'Stuckist Manifesto'? What do they think they are?



When Brian Sewell appeared on Have I Got News For You?, Ian Hislop remarked that they shared a mutual friend. Sewell's response was to comment that he failed to see how any friend of his could possibly also be a friend of Hislop's. I like Ian Hislop a lot, as it happens, but that was quite funny. Sewell's OK on the whole, although I like that Dixon fellow too. And Waldemar Januszczak is excellent.

Great women artists? Hilda Carline and Susan Hiller, to name but two.[/quote]
I don't think that Sewell REALLY thinks that there arent any great women artists.


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