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Letter from Marine officer in Iraq
Written last month, this straightforward account of life in Iraq by a Marine officer was initially sent just to a small group of family and friends. His honest but wry narration and unusually frank dissection of the mission contrasts sharply with the story presented by both sides of the Iraq war debate, the Pentagon spin masters and fierce critics. Perhaps inevitably, the "Letter from Iraq" moved quickly beyond the small group of acquantainaces and hit the inboxes of retired generals, officers in the Pentagon, and staffers on Capitol Hill. TIME's Sally B. Donnelly first received a copy three weeks ago but only this week was able to track down the author and verify the document's authenticity. The author wishes to remain anonymous but has allowed us to publish it here with a few judicious omissions.
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Chilling read. Reminds me of my days in the red zone...
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Depressing really it is. Made me sad. Wish the war is over, also for concern over my brother, and for other soldiers over there, and their families.
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It`s depressing, indeed. And it also reminds me of what those soldiers are going through, what they sacrifice to build a better future for Iraq and for the world. And it makes me very angry that people in Europe (and also in the US, i guess) compare them to Nazis! It`s so discusting.
I wish the war would be over, but I know it`s not. I hope that Iraqi democracy will prevail, that civil war will be prevented, and a stable iraqi state will evolve, without jihadist or sectarian violence. And I hope the best for the GIs over there. |
Fuck this war. I don't support their ignorant decision to "serve their country," and if you've got a problem with that, well, you can kiss my ass.
They made their beds and they can just lie in them. |
So you don`t care for the Iraqi people.. well, I do.
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I'm speaking of the United States military officials. I have no sympathy for murderers.
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Sadly, those "murderers" are all that stands between the Iraqis and a murderous civil war. Wouldn`t it be more wise to support them, to prevent more killings by murderous "insurgents", who shot people in the legs because they were short trousers or because they belong to the "wrong" confession of Islam (sunni/shia)?
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The soldiers that do the dirty work are in a different situation to the politicians and high officials, that sent them there. This war will not end as quick as most of us thought...
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I'm not talking about the politicians. I am talking about THE soldiers, out on the fucking warfront shooting innocent bystanders. I feel no sympathy for those motherfuckers. THEY are the ones who put themselves in that situation, they KNOW they could die. Hence,
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They usually don`t shot innocent bystanders. And if they do, they get into trouble.
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Why is there a plethora of Iraqi civilians dead at the hands of the US military, then?
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Well.. Why is there a plethora of French civilians dead at the hands fo the US military, then, in 1944?
What I`m trying to say is.. civilian casualties will happen in a conflict, even if an army tries to prevent and minimize them. What the US Army does, in contrast to the forces they are fighting in Iraq. You can`t fight a war without civilian casulties. Of course, this doesn`t mean that you shouldn`t pay attention to civilians.. The contrary: civilian causulties should be reduced as much as possible, and sometimes even if that means a higher risk to the lives of your own soldiers. But in the end, there will still be civilian casulties, if civilians are living in the combat zone. You can`t fight a war without killing innocents.. it`s the human dilemma: there`s no perfect solution without negative aspects.. How to free Iraq from Saddam without innocent people dying? Impossible. But keeping him in power? Still innocent people will die. More than if you invade? Very possible, if you think of the +/- 1 Million people killed during Saddamīs reign. Of course, all this doesn`t mean I agree with every single action the US military did in Iraq. There might have been ilegitimate killings of civilians, and if those happened, I condemn them. But otherwise, I won`t call a GI a murderer if he`s fighting a just war against the real murderers, the baathists and jihadists in Iraq. |
We can't "free" Iraq. It's their own business, NOT ours. America needs to stop trying to be the world's 9-1-1 because it is not working to our advantage.
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bastian. i totally agree with you!!
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It`s not their own business.. it`s our business. If thousands of people in Iraq are killed by their murderous dictator, it`s our, it`s the world`s business to stop him!
Same goes for the genocide that`s happening in Darfur right now. It`s almost another Rwanda down there, and the world ignores it, and hides behind the "souvereignity of the nation Sudan" or whatever.. the mass murder must stop! |
Don't be a baby. MY country cannot even take care of it's own citizens. The last thing we need to worry about is the citizens of another country.
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The isolationist approach.. thank god American isolationism came to an end before it was too late.
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My brother is not a murderer, he is just doing what he signed to do. That's what I hate blaming the soldiers and not the politicians or those in High rank positions.
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Sorry man, but you clearly are a complete moron. |
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I agree with that. A nation has to free itself. What happened there was highly stupid. Once the US army got rid of Saddam, offering cash to his officers to clear the path, what was left for the Iraqi? Who could they vote for? When you vote for someone, you pay attention to his/her latest achievements. The greatest achievement would have been to have freed Iraq. But there were no Iraqis involved in the process. During this war, I'd believe there were some Iraqui groups who fought Saddam, but none got to be noticed. No Iraqi was given a chance to prove the rest of the nation he would be a leader, able to deal with choices, make the proper move and so on, during this war. All the credits were tossed at Bush's administration. Back in 1991, during the first gulf war, inside the country, several groups had started the fight and could have been considered dangerous for Saddam. That was the time for the rest of the world to chose among those guys who were on the verge of achieving something who to support (according to our own interest). Didn't happen. Western civilizations let them die. I don't understand Bastian. Saddam is on trial, in a very peculiar box, a too big setting that makes him look like a baby in a park (I'm missing the correct word). Put teddy bears on the pictures and you'll get what I mean. So, Saddam on trial, who do you want the Iraqis to be freed from? There's a government, with people with no great experience. Had they had an experience, they could have seen things coming and answered. What's the Iraqi government answer to terror? Is there one? Or are they leaving their future rest in the hands of the US army? Where's every Iraqi citizen's autonomy? America's leaders don't consider themselves as the world 911. It's a way of giving the families a treasurable reason for the death of their sons and daughters. |
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do you know what that would have ment to hitler-deutschland? this nation would have killed the last 6% jewish people between france and russia if the allies would have followed that idea that you spread. i am proud that bomber harris leveled berlin, dresden or cologne to ground zero. that was the root for democracy and freedom in germany. but your freedom kills! you should notice that itīs impossible to free yourself under certain amounts of conditions. hitler-deutschland was such a situation and many in middle east are comparable because of totalitarian strong autocratic conditions. think about it! |
Do you disagree with what comes after that second sentence too?
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mamamia yes think about it
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I do agree that a nation has to free itself.
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There was a putsch in Chile on 1973-09-11 (or was it 1974).
When you're on the side of the ones who kicked out president Allende, you call that freeing the nation from a threat. Those who took the power were not citizens of the USA. They had proved themselves and so on. They got what they wanted with Henry Kissinger's helping hand, but they already had the capacity of assuming power. Helping the inside "resistance" (in this case the resistance to a socialist president) is the way to help another nation. The USSR did it. The USA did it. They trained Ben Laden during some conflict in the gulf area. What I meant is that a regime can only exist when the people know their leader has achieved something in his life before becoming the head of the nation. You can't propel anyone on the front stage and expect everything to be all right just cause you'd like to, the way Bush did. I believe that Cantankerous and others don't see what good George Walker did before becoming president (the guy quit drinking though) and that's why the USA appears as a nation freaking out. And powerful people freaking out are not the best guests you'd expect. |
cantank, the majority of iraqui deaths in the past few years (and there have been over 16 THOUSAND) come at the hand of insurgents or fellow iraquis of a different religion, NOT at the hands of american's or other foreign soldiers.
In areas of baghdad there are 10-30 bodies found every morning executed, dragged out of their homes at night, by arabs, not by americans. put the blame where it really is if you are going to be indignant. |
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