WHo created GOd?
 

this is a deep one
http://www.harekrishnamontreal.com/2...o-created-god/

the human mind

i told you he is a cultleader

Wasn't it Kevin Martin?

As a representative of GOd, I'll be taking questions (and signing autographs) in the lobby, after the show.

almost all NDE's (near death experiences) are actually memories of deeply submerged initial reactions to the birth experience.

The only thing that differentiates humans from other animals, and which is said plainly in genesis, is that humans know the difference between Good and Evil, and the difference between Life and Death.

Other animals experience life and death but they do not live with that dichotomy looming over their thoughts.
Other animals do altruistic things (good) or hurtful things (evil) but they do not see it like humans.

humans can override instincts if we so want and choose the good, and choose the life, or vice versa.

Because of this we seek explanations for WHY? why?? why??? why do good people die, and bad people live? why do children starve while steve jobs builds a massive multi million dollar yacht, even in death?

we decide, it must be GAWD!

that's zoroastrian bullshit

that's nice and now we want more variety of opinions

I was born dead. Where do I stand?

(srsly)

you know who was zoroastrian? Freddie Mercury! It served him well

if i'm correct i'm here to look after food
and not look after god

keep my life simpel i will eat and one day my natural system won't have no energy to keep my brain running and that is it

simpel natural and beautifull
totally free

For the first tens of thousands of years of human civilization there was no "god" just the GODDESS, because as any observant being can tell you, it i women that bring forth life, and that are the miracle bearers.

sooo, some asshole made up a male god to try and wrest control from the women who ran the mystical show.

back in the day anything which brought pleasure was seen as close4 to the Goddess, so temples were all dedicated to sexy delicious, kardashianesque lusty sexpots who would, through ritual and hot sex, bring you to ecstacy, thereby allowing you to "touch" the goddess, to experience the divine.

all we got now is cannibalism (catholic church), and enslavement to male deities.

why not? if food is that which keeps it running

Associating polar gender rolls to any Divinity is a grave human fallacy.


Mmmmm.....gender rolls. I like mine with milk and honey.

it is totally no fun rob and i understand you compleetly
hope it changes for the good

and that we are free in the future from the woman rights and gay rights and human rights
that people just stop that shit and live on

fuck those hardheaded people
they will never understand

hare krsna rights

i was just testing ym new signature woah looks so cool and shiny like a diamond

evil is merely unevolved good

How do you know this exactly? I'm not pretending near-death experiences are visions of God, I would agree that they are subconscious projections, however, I am way too into Joseph Campbell, what you find buried in the subconscious mind IS reflections of God. The narrative of Adam and Eve suggests that at the beginning of human consciousness, be it 250,000 years ago according to strict evolutionary theory, or some other time, mankind interacted with the Divine. The archetypes of our subconscious mind are all projections from this first generations of humankind. Our religious literature and culture are reflections of the subconscious mind, we bring these indescribable archetypes from the nether regions of our minds to the forefront of our conscious experience. Religion and its explanations of God are merely a symbol for God, not inherently the real thing.


A gorilla who was fluent in sign-language was given a pet kitten. She loved that kitten, and repeatedly told other humans so in signed English no less! She painted pictures of the cat, and while they weren't very good in detail, they had the right colors and even general shapes. When asked about what she was painting, she was say, "This is my cat." When the cat died, as pets do, this gorilla had a profoundly human moment, she reflected and said, "My cat died, I am sad." She understood the cat was dead, not just missing, and further understood her feelings of grief. So how can we be so sure that animals don't experience life in the dichotomy of life and death, in moral and immoral? The trick with animals is that this gorilla aside, they rarely are able to communicate their experiences to other humans, so simply put, we don't know what their experiences are. We project our own superiority onto them, and we assume we live differently, more profoundly, even more caustically, but how can we ever know this? Elephants purposefully pause at graveyards of their kin, smell and touch the bones of their specific relatives who died, and even visibly cry and moan! They then also appear to console each other through touch and sound, just like grieving humans at a cemetery lamenting over the loss of loved ones.


No. People did not invent God to describe unanswerable questions. There is plenty of crock science, superstition, and outright stupidity to fill in that gap..

Experiences of God are direct, dynamic, and personal. If they are just chemical fluctuations that is fine, but I don't dig into such simplistic explanations. It is a chicken and egg matter, what causes specific neurochemical release in the first place? If God is just a chemical, why don't ALL humans have this experience?

Consciousness is everywhere

Life is everywhere

Fucking hippies.

people created god. conversation over.

that isn't the issue. the issue is jumping the gun and stating that "god" is that "something". it's even more of an issue when people claim to communicate with him and live their lives by a set of guidelines that apparently come from god. it defies logic.

you have to go back 1000' ds of years and see what the homo sapians first thoughts of god have been created

in the first art of homo sapians we can't see a sign that they occupy their time with god

the first art in caves were only draws of animals they see

that was the homo sapians living without a god

what came after that were stories about different gods
and the for 90% analphabetic population liked a storie

this was also the same for the medieval days 1500-1600
were in religious buildings alot was spoken in images because 90% of the population was analphabetic

draws of jesus who is praying and draws of angels

in egypte you had persons with Highness madness who claimed that they were god themself or half god

and if you don't like that storie
then you were simply killed

you kneel for an ape or this apes army eliminate you, something as we know today as dictatorship

and so the homo sapians created god to a figur that is high and mighty
a male with a beard who comes down from the clouds

if there is a god above the clouds?

take the last 15 years of your life

1. did there a god come down from the clouds to stop the genocide in youguslavia?
2. did there a god come down to save africans in africa from people stealing their gold, diamonds and oil?
3. did there a god came down to stop the weapon industrie from selling / bringing weapons to africa were bloody wars with childsoldiers took place?
4. did there a god came down to stop the hunger in ethiopia or somalia or other places on this planet?
5. did there a god came down to protect whales from beeing slaughterd for luxury by sapians or elephants, dolphins from living in a entertainment prison what sapians call zoo's?
6. did there a god came down to stop the genocide in syria or the war in iraque, afganistan?

you know where i'm going with this vieuw of looking at sapian history
from the time the sapians had no god till the day of today

there is nothing going to come down from the clouds

the last thing that came down from the clouds had destroyed the entire planet, i mean the piece of rock that falled out of space on the planet and wiped out the dinosaurs

you don't have water or food
you will simply die

there is no god gonna come down and hold a spoon into your apemouth to keep you alive

there is no mercy on this planet or out there in the universe
you don't watch out for your life
you will be dead and gone, like the dinosaurs :)

that man created god...the godfather !

If that is the case, why is it so easy to dismiss the idea of God? If consciousness and life is everywhere, in this infinite sense of the word, why can't God also exist somewhere in that everywhere? Further, what is the origin of all this complexity, these patterns, these underlying forms? Randomness? A long enough arc of time? Perhaps, but perhaps not. In an infinite sequence of universes, every possibility can occur, and this is the premise behind non-theistic explanations of the universe, however, how is God also discredited as one of these infinite possibilities? To truly say the possibilities are infinite is not to restrict one possibility over any other..

which god are we talking about here anyway? yahweh?

All of them, I hope.

we ARE god

we make god in our own image.

always have, always will

there can only be one Pedro on this msg board.

You have been usurped!

That is existentially shallow, we make our interpretations of God just as we realistically make our own interpretations of reality. However, your explanation doesn't solve any of the mysteries of real life. Science is an observation of the mechanisms of nature, not the source. It is the how, not the why or the where did it come from. Further, there are as many gaps and holes in the current atheistic cosmology as those of any good Catholic, so who is kidding who here? At least religious folks are content to say God is Mystery, rather than dismiss the concept of the Divine entirely. Something had to create all of this, even according to the Big Bang, how did all that originally condensed matter and energy originate in the first place? Ah, right caps and holes. Theology is simply to assert something higher or beyond our understanding is personally responsible for reality. This is called God, and as you've mentioned, many folks anthropomorphize conceptions of God by their own individual interpretations, and indeed invent aspects of God. However and again, this shouldn't suggest the Divine doesn't exist outright, that would be scientifically foolish, let alone a terrible bet to place on Pascal's wager.

Religious folk, in my experience, are rarely content to say God is a mystery, and usually want to shove down my throat exactly what god is, and what he does, and what he wants out of me.
There is no atheistic cosmology
there is no real organized atheistic belief, because atheism is the absolute lack of faith in things unproven.

Lack of wetness is not wetness. Lack of belief is not belief.

science allows for doubt, religions do not. science allolws for self-correction. religions do not

hebrews still essentially believe the same shit that they did 4000 years ago.

to me that is the ultimate in self-stupidity.

By atheistic cosmology I am being quite literal, the current theories of physics and mechanics are by definition an atheistic cosmology. Again, I agree, many "religious" folks have invented their own interpretations of God, but that shouldn't somehow limit or prohibit the concept of the Divine, even if many folks have many misconceptions. If you think religions don't allow for doubt, you've never really explored the depths of religion. Religion is plagued by doubts, its kind of the point, it provokes questions, and asking questions can often stumble onto answers.

You are free to scoff various cultures and organized institutional religions, but to be so caustic towards the concept of Divine seems all the more self-stupid ;)

depends on how you define cosmology

religions define it differently than science.

cosmoplogy in science is the study of the overall structure of the Universe and how it came to be the way it is

religions define cosmology as their description of how their god created the world.

Two different things entirely


as far as doubt goes, any organized religion ahs a set of dogmas, specific assertions that are assumed and accepted by all who follow such religion as unchallengable truths.

Muslims will kill you if you question their prophets teachings

christians used to kill for the same damn reason.

who gets killed because they disagree with a scientific view? No one. In fact, it is the scientists who get killed by the religious.

It's ok people you can relax. Rob's got this one covered.

I remember being twelve years old and telling my best friend at church (Episcopal, where my dad was the priest) that since I was 10 years old I had known I did not believe in god, or any tenets of the religion I was raised on.
He got real scared

Parents used to tell their kids to hang out with me and my bro, because as the priest's kids we were a "good influence".