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Savage Clone 12.01.2006 10:57 AM

The infamous VU "garage sale acetate" for sale now
 
Holy shit.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=300054910309

This goes for another week or so, and is already over 18 thousand dollars...
Bought at a yard sale for 75 cents!

Inhuman 12.01.2006 11:00 AM

crap...that's insane...

Savage Clone 12.01.2006 11:03 AM

Rich, rich person.

sonicl 12.01.2006 11:06 AM

So, on the one hand, I was going to buy a house. On the other hand...

No, the girlfriend would never forgive me.

atari 2600 12.01.2006 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebay listing
Six of the songs recorded during the Scepter session made it on to the "Velvet Underground & Nico" LP, albeit with radically different mixes. The other four songs were re-recorded in LA by Tom Wilson. As far as we know, the only listenable copy of the original versions of Heroin, Venus In Furs, I'm Waiting For The Man, and European Son exist on the acetate that Warrenlifound. (A Japanese bootleg of the same material did appear, but in poor, arguably ‘unlistenable' sound quality. It is possible that the source tape for the Japanese bootleg was made from this very acetate decades ago when it was in different hands. Who knows?)



I have that one (the Japanese bootleg dicussed in the listing). I shared it at the group. It's not completely "unlistenable," but it definitely could be much better.
It's Scepter Studios NYC 4/25/66 (the same date and location) and has Heroin, Venus in Furs and Waiting For the Man. Sadly, European Son is missing on my copy.

!@#$%! 12.01.2006 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savage Clone
Rich, rich person.


in theory at least they could make a profit by doing something with it, like negotiating a re-release with a label (it would sound crappy, sure, but i'm guessing collectors would buy-- or put them in itunes...$1 each download?).

not necessarily rich, perhaps just ballsy/smart.

gmku 12.01.2006 01:45 PM

Thing is, how do you know this is even for real? Wouldn't it be easy to pull a hoax? Somebody with access to a pressing plant...

gmku 12.01.2006 01:50 PM

I can just imagine how well this purchase would go over in my house.

"Oh, hi, honey. Been to the record store today, I see. What this time?"

"Oh, just another Velvet Underground album."

"Let's see. God, this looks like crap. A handwritten label. Hope you didn't pay too much.... by the way, I got a call from the bank today about a second mortage we're taking out for something like 18,000. What's up with that?"

"Oh, nothing..."

!@#$%! 12.01.2006 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmku
Thing is, how do you know this is even for real? Wouldn't it be easy to pull a hoax? Somebody with access to a pressing plant...


well that's why the link to all the press clippings. at this point the thing has been authenticated i suspect.

Savage Clone 12.01.2006 01:52 PM

Yeah, there has been so much ink spilled on this thing that I have no doubt this is it.
Successfully faking natural aging like that is a challenge too.

gmku 12.01.2006 01:52 PM

True. I saw those. Still, I'd be really nervous plunking down this kind of change online for something I haven't even seen or touched.

This is truly insane. Whoever ends up buying this overpriced piece of plastic is more pathetic than I am.

!@#$%! 12.01.2006 01:56 PM

i just read one of the articles where it sez the president of a record company authenticated the thing.

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edit: this one

 


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and again, im sure whoever is buying the "overpriced piece of plastic" is planning to make some fat profits from the investment.

h8kurdt 12.01.2006 02:42 PM

Wow, I'd never heard of it. The person who buys will probably use it as an investment. How much do you reckon record companies would pay to release it?

CHOUT 12.01.2006 02:43 PM

I love stories like this. They keep me going to garage sales/pawn shops etc.

Rob Instigator 12.01.2006 02:47 PM

yes, seventyfive cents. insa nity folks! insanity!

either way I got my all time favorite UNSaNE song (Vandal X, on seven inch vinyl) for sixtyfive cents on EBAY!
 



whoever buys this VU acetate is one dedicated mo-fo.

I guess if I was an attroney like the ones I work for and I billed $360/hr to my clients, I would go insane for a one of a kind sonic youth bad moon rising acetate. or a daydream nation.

dazedcola 12.01.2006 08:58 PM

i wish i had the money for it but what pisses me off most is the fact is that only one fan is going to have it and will be greedy so that no one else can hear it. If i got the record I would get the music re-released so everyone can enjoy it not just some elitist record collector.

The bidding has gone up to 21K now...

pokkeherrie 12.01.2006 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dazedcola
i wish i had the money for it but what pisses me off most is the fact is that only one fan is going to have it and will be greedy so that no one else can hear it. If i got the record I would get the music re-released so everyone can enjoy it not just some elitist record collector.

The bidding has gone up to 21K now...


imagine if he breaks it while proudly showing it off to his friends...

noisemachine 12.01.2006 10:21 PM

Damn, another week left and already at 25 g's. I wonder if this will be the kind of thing where some fan that doesn't have the money to buy it will jack up the price and just not pay for it. I could never imagine paying 25,000 for a freakin' record.

I wanna meet the person that sold it for 75 cents.

Inhuman 12.01.2006 10:26 PM

I have the continuous urge to place one bid on it just to say that I did, but I wouldn't like to end up like what noisemachine said. Once I was at an auction and I bid $50.00 for a video card, and I won, and it turned out it was a really bad model and I didn't want it, so I had to go through the embarrasment of saying "oh...I didn't know that it was that bad". Good times.

towelie 12.01.2006 11:44 PM

A 1966 Velvet Underground acetate LP is a valuable collector's item and should be kept in the best condition as possible and the best way to do this is to wrap it in a towel.

I'm gonna get high now.

Cantankerous 12.02.2006 12:29 AM

god DAMN.

sonicl 12.02.2006 12:59 AM

This will probably end up being bought by the sort of person who buys an Old Master (as in painting, not a master tape) and locks it in a bank vault. I'd be surprised if its contents became publicly available.

Inhuman 12.02.2006 01:16 AM

Up to $25,300 now. Damn

h8kurdt 12.02.2006 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonicl
This will probably end up being bought by the sort of person who buys an Old Master (as in painting, not a master tape) and locks it in a bank vault. I'd be surprised if its contents became publicly available.


I never understood why people do that. "Ooohh I've such a such a vinyl, it's so rare"...who gives a shit! You gonna play it or not?

RdTv 12.02.2006 06:13 AM

$35,300

Whoever ends up buying this has some serious money. Actually it isn't so much the money its the fact that they have THAT MUCH money just to spend on an album, albeit a great one and the subject of many a collector's wet dream.

Iain 12.02.2006 07:05 AM

Surely whoever buys it is planning to make money on releasing it. Would they have the rights to do that owning the original acetate?

Gulasch Noir 12.02.2006 08:43 AM

There's nobody who wants to tell me in a few words what an "acetate" is ....right?

atari 2600 12.02.2006 09:35 AM

thevelvetforum>...teehee
I just went over there to see if my log-in id still worked (if I could even remember it...I did)
&
I have a PM there from Jazz Like Hendrix from (what happens to be my birthday)
Mon Sep 13, 2004 5:53 am. I have problems with not checking electronic mail. I really do.
at the risk of upsetting anyone...

As always, click to read more clearly.


 
I had to post this when I read the part about the "yearbook" posts.

haha

atari 2600 12.02.2006 09:44 AM

Let's see. You mentioned thevelvetforum. I remembered that I used to be or perhaps possibly still was registered over there as a member of the forum. I then went to thevelvetforum. As I tried the log-in it worked and took me to the Private Message page. I viewed the above message that I just posted to this board. After reading the aforementioned message, I felt impelled to post it because it is JazzLikeHendrix expressing his shared disdain for "yearbook" posts...and it's from 2004.

atari 2600 12.02.2006 09:53 AM

Any other beefs?
(besides your worry that someone other than yourself might get some attention)


Let me get straight back to the topic.
I can tell everyone that the performance quality of the versions from Scepter Studios are not as good as the final released album versions, because as I stated before, I have three of the tracks.
The three that I do have are the alternate version outtakes. The rest of the thing, except for European Son, is the same (with different mixes supposedly) as the released debut.

Is that on-topic enough for you, Mr. Feigning Concern Pain-in-the-Ass?

atari 2600 12.02.2006 10:03 AM

Great. I wasn't planning on sharing them.

I am, however, planning on sharing a Moe Tucker with Half Japanese one at the group and by PM.

Gulasch Noir 12.02.2006 11:27 AM

ok, inquisitiveness satisfied http://www.answers.com/acetate%20disc
By the way, i have this album four times: yellow vinyl, black vinyl (both 2003 reissues), CD and burned CD.

gmku 12.02.2006 11:51 AM

I wonder what the copyright/intellectual property law on this is? That is, could a fan or a record co. president just purchase this and then clean it up and release it in some form? Or would it be a case of securing permission from Lou Reed et al or the record label?

gmku 12.02.2006 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gulasch Noir
ok, inquisitiveness satisfied http://www.answers.com/acetate%20disc
By the way, i have this album four times: yellow vinyl, black vinyl (both 2003 reissues), CD and burned CD.


Ha, that sounds very familiar! In my case--five times: cheesy German import (purchased when I lived in Germany in the 80s), late 80s reissue on CD, and three recent vinyl reissues on regular black vinyl, yellow vinyl, and a 180gm mono pressing.

gmku 12.02.2006 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porkmarras
If i was the owner of this artefact,i'd be quite intimidated of having to deal with Reed on such matters.


Oh, Reed's old and feeble. He's got nothing on a young tough dude such as yourself.

gmku 12.02.2006 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porkmarras
Im just a gift to the gmkus of this world
Im just a gift to the gmkus of this world

Responsibility sits so hard on my shoulder
Like a good wine, Im better as I grow older, and now -

- Im just a gift to the gmkus of this world
Im just a gift to the gmkus of this world
Im just a gift to the gmkus of this world

Its hard to settle for second best
After youve had me, you know that youve had the best
And now you know that -

- Im just a gift to the gmkus of this world

(Im just a gift to the gmkus of this world)
(Im just a gift to the gmkus of this world)

Responsibility sits hard on my shoulder
Like a good wine, Im better as I get older, and now -

- Im just a gift to the gmkusof this world
You know that Im just a gift to the gmkus of this world
Just a gift now

(Im just a gift to the gmkus of this world)
(Im just a gift to the gmkus of this world)
(Im just a gift to the gmkus of this world)
(Im just a gift to the gmkus of this world, just now)
(Im just a gift to the gmkus of this world, just a gift)
(Im just a gift to the gmkus of this world)
Im just a gift to the gmkus of this world
Im just a gift to the gmkus of this world


Wow, a gift to all the gmkus, eh. I thought I was the only one. I am a unique individual and Jesus wants me for a sunbeam.

Glice 12.02.2006 01:10 PM

I think I hate whoever buys this. There's record collecting, and then there's just being too rich. Rich people should buy cars, not records. It pushes all us lowly, poor schmucks out of the market if rich people get involved. I would imagine the buyer will be affiliated to a record label in some fashion.

jon boy 12.02.2006 01:12 PM

or just collect that type of stuff to show off to all his friends. i hate people like that.

gmku 12.02.2006 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glice
I think I hate whoever buys this. There's record collecting, and then there's just being too rich. Rich people should buy cars, not records. It pushes all us lowly, poor schmucks out of the market if rich people get involved. I would imagine the buyer will be affiliated to a record label in some fashion.


I agree absolutely.

Don't blame the buyer so much as the seller, though. The seller is being greedy and not thinking about the common good of sharing this find with as many fans as possible.

It would be one thing for the seller to negotiate with a record company with the stipulation that the sale is for eventual release of the material to the public (issued on CD, LP, etc., for sale as an affordable mass release). But this is just greed.

gmku 12.02.2006 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porkmarras
I don't see what's wrong with having enough money to waste and wasting it on whatever you want to waste it on.


Yeah, I don't either, except that it can be pretty mindless and kind of mean-spirited.


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