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Panspermia Is Real
http://www.technologyreview.com/view...all-fragments/
aLGAE-LIKE FOSSILS FOUND IN METORITE!!!! awesome |
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oh, damn damn damn!
-- that;s still "the journal of cosmology" in that cornell database |
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1303/1303.1845.pdf that is the full paper. awesome.
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C'mon, Rob, its just a glacial erratic
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yes i saw but i'm withholding judgment until it gets reviewed and published in "nature" or some such journal. i'm not saying "no", i'm just saying "hmmmm, interesting..."
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pretty cool though.
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I don't get it. As a lay person, I always assumed shit like this was floating around anyway.
Is the generally accepted theory that there is not and never was anything remotely alive ever in the universe? |
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the question is not whether life may or may not arise in other planets. panspermia is the notion that there's some sort of common universal DNA out there flying around in comets and meteorites, "seeding" planets, and that the origin of life on earth isn't from the primordial soup but from extraterrestrial origins. |
Panspermia is an idea that was proposed around 30 years ago, that the seeds of life were placed on the early Earth by space debris, comets, meteors, etc.
There is no "generally accepted theory" currently about how life began, only various propositions. The evidence for panspermia needed to be found in well-defined and verified meteor impacts. that is what the paper is about, a meteor from 2012. what was found in the meteor was not just amino acids, or other such pre-life chemicals (which are found, as we now know, all throughout the solar system,) but actual microfossils and organic material, some of which look like very basic life forms that are long extinct on planet Earth. |
Gotcha.
Sort of. Must be some fucking tough seeds, I gather. |
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Tardigrades can survive outer space, radiation, heat, cold, everything!!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade
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This is all very interesting.
But let's say we finally discover some cosmic-seed-distributing species. Where did they come from? Whether or not there is a God will forever be an open question, even if we happen to discover damn-near everything about the physical universe. Yes? If so, does this depress you, elate you, or change nothing? |
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still, the closest star is 4 light-years away. don't know anything that travels at light speed except for radiation. a comet (if it could go between solar systems) is what, 1km/sec when it's farthest from the sun, so it could go what, 1.2 million years to go from here to alpha centauri... but even if that tardigrade survived, it wouldn't leave the solar system. life going from one planet to another-- sure, may be possible-- otherwise, abiogenesis is the most likely explanation for the origin of life on earth. Quote:
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Ancient_humanoid |
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Terrence McKenna was always a proponent of the idea that the spores of mushrooms can resist hard radiation and may have arrived here from space. As a theory, it is certainly as viable as the 'oceans full of amino acids' theory. Of course, the difference is who has tenure. None of these theories answer what I believe is the more important question, how did awareness/consciousness form. |
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You're thinking in human time, you have to get past even geological time. We're talking about billions and billions of years. Cosmic time. And who knows what kind of rules actually apply outside the gravity wells. |
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as far as "gawd" goes, it is irrelevant. If we are to think of the Universe as a totality, and the Earth one microcosm of that totality, then we should be led to assume that life is an inherent trait of the Universe. The problem was that we have not found hard evidence of any sort of life outside of our little microcosm Earth. This is the first step. |
consciousness is, I feel, a byproduct of existence. Trees with no nervous systems and no brains gather information about their environment, and use the information to improve their lot in this life. That, to me, is a form of consciousness.
I think the reason we humans seem so different in consciousness from other life we see is that we have somehow managed to embody two brains in opne body, each co-existing with it's mate. Our right lobes and our left lobes are two separate brains. They are connected by a thick band of neurons, which allows them to communicate. This I think, creates the ability of humans to internally communicate with theemslves, giving us the understanding of the "Other" that most animals do not seem to possess. am I becoming a deist? I'd be in good company! |
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I'm just saying, this stuff is merely interesting, and won't really unravel the really huge questions, such as Quote:
Which is a whopper of a question. I can't even imagine how one could investigate this. Sorry Rob I, but consciousness is more of a mystery (and a more important one) than whether we came from here or there. This thread makes for good awe-inducement and imagination-reeling, but neurology is really mind-blowing haha. Anyway, I didn't mean "God" in any theological sense. Man I hate that word. We need a new one. And I think consciousness and "God" are somehow related, but that's just a hunch. PS- I'm high. |
I think that there is no answer to the question "where did we come from?" that would satisfy people who are just in love with the mystery of it, as opposed to actually trying to get an answer to their plea.
The "answer" would either be to prosaic, or too boring, or too meaningless. I would venture to say that humans are the only life forms on this planet that ask the question WHY? about anything. Maybe that is why all the ancient religions stipulate that questioning "god" is a bad thing? It just brings suffering. |
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First part....QFT. This is good. Asking why and having the most meaningless answer sounds...really....depressing. GOd answers that question(in tha past at least). Now...with all this knowledge we really don't need to rely on this "God" for answering 'Why?'. I don't think God ISN'T real(I'm not saying anything because I don't know)....just perhaps in an unconcious form. |
there is no god.
the reason so many of you are obsessed with a where and why of creation is because you were born in the west and so have metaphysical questions framed through the lense of creationism. it is in fact the case that there need be no beginning nor end to the universe because this is more coherent than the frankly stupid and insane question of 'who or what created it' because once you have decided who created it you have to decide who created the creator and it goes on in an infinite regress of dickwittedness. think of it as a perfect mandala lacking centre or edge, or the infinite depths of a fractal. there is also no reason to take seriously the culturally enforced phobia to a continuum between the organic and inorganic, or consciousness and non consciousness. we are not special and the universe does not need us and no amount of belief, delusion or idealistic crap will surpass that fact. |
"consciousness" could very well be the universe's way of understanding itself.
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No, you're just looking at it through a dimly understood "Eastern" lens. |
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fine you're still wrong. |
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funny how those eastern metaphysics match up so well to modern quantum physics and science, you know, the stuff that has turned your monotheism into an obsolete zombie that doesn't know its dead. give it a few hundred years and christianity will be extinct. |
I want Gods load on my face.
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you mean amerikangod yes? |
Oh...we're talking about amerikkangod? Fuck, I want more than just his load.
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okay then, the whole flauta. load included |
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Maybe the problem is confusing 'diety' with 'creator'. Have you ever read Protector by Larry Niven? I'd suggest hitting your local used bookstore now and getting. Our collective imagination is just so limited...Niven provides an alternative I quite like. |
DEISM is the belief that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of God, accompanied with the rejection of revelation and authority as a source of religious knowledge.
Nahh, that's not me either. |
Protector. will check it out of the library where I work. yeah! free access to books damnit!
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I think that is the hidden "mystery" of all the mystery cults, and of all the religions, and it is shared to a very select Elite. we, all of us, every single human being on the planet, has the ability to BE GOD. Our observations create the universe we observe.
"Revolting cocks are god! / I am the creator / Beers, steers, and queers / Cowboy" |
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I already explained. There is no distinction between something and nothing. They are part of a continuum. This makes perfect intuitive sense, the reason you don't get it is because you come from a christian culture that, due to its psychosis, inserts a big fat anthropomorphic compensation fantasy and subtly indoctrinates you into believe in creation, not just from god but of the self as well. Then that stuff about there being a "point" to all those uninhabited planets is just idiotic. The universe does not revolve around us. It does not exist FOR us. We have no 'natural' place in it. We have no reason for being in it. It is utterly indifferent to us. External reality is not a manifestation of our narcissism. |
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EXACTLY. the sooner the human race is wiped off the surface of this planet the better. |
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ps- dead battery was not saying what you're saying. just because there is no cosmic "reason" for us to be here it doesn't follow that there is no value in life. god is a crutch, but without a crutch we don't need to limp and die-- we can in fact run. and make good pizza, and anything we want. |
hahaha, i quoted his post in a way a religious extremist would quote a holy text. but only in good fun, i wouldn't really want to destroy the human race.
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