Rant about Capital Punishment.
 

i have to say I find the death sentence completey retarded. All the time I here these christian soccer moms talking about murderers and how they deserve to die.
1) Being that religious wouldn't murder be completely wronge making it stupid to do in vengance?
2) Killing someone for murder is just letting them off easy. Id rather spend tax paying money to keep a murderer alive in prison than have him killed. If this person just gets killed then they aren't really being punished, unless you believe in hell. Let the fucker rot in jail I say.


I'd write more but I just woke up from a nap...:o

what if they have the wrong person, pretty simple equation, wrong person, capital punishment, bad

did you hear about a jugde in new hamshire? He gave a rapist 60 days in prison because he felt avenging bad deads with more 'negative situations' would be bad as well.

I think some cases call for the capital punishment. You all know what horrible things people can do, so I don't feel like listing what I feel deserves the capital punishment.

Hmm. It's difficult to say anything on this without commenting, from a biased perspective, on the American legal/ political situation in general.

So I won't.

The logic that gets me....abortion = bad, capital punishment = good.

I don't know, this country is odd.

Everybody I know thinks abortion is good and bad depending on the circumstance, same with the death penalty. I don't see this logic you speak of. I don't think anybody feels 100% either way, maybe I'm wrong.

abortion good sometimes

death sentence bad always

i feel 100% that the death penalty is wrong, because their have been reported cases of the wrong person being executed and an innocent person at that

Yeah that's horrible, but I think in many cases, the death penalty is the logical punishment.

What I was getting at was people who are against abortion, are also the ones who in support of the death penalty.

Maybe its my location, but this is rampant here. Christian zealots and such...

Without putting any personal slant on things, does anyone know which countries still have the death penalty?

abortion = bad
capital punishment = bad

Oh I understand now. I didn't mean my other post to sound the way it came out. Yeah, it's strange how people's opinions can be so odd. I'm sure they're not %100 one way or another though. I don't see how anyone could be. But strongly favoring the death penalty and opposing abortion is kind of weird.

1. Abolitionist for all crimes

Countries whose laws do not provide for the death penalty for any crime



ANDORRA, ANGOLA, ARMENIA, AUSTRALIA, AUSTRIA, AZERBAIJAN, BELGIUM, BHUTAN, BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA, BULGARIA, CAMBODIA, CANADA, CAPE VERDE, COLOMBIA, COSTA RICA, COTE D'IVOIRE, CROATIA, CYPRUS, CZECH REPUBLIC, DENMARK, DJIBOUTI, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC,ECUADOR, ESTONIA, FINLAND, FRANCE, GEORGIA, GERMANY,GREECE, GUINEA-BISSAU, HAITI, HONDURAS, HUNGARY, ICELAND, IRELAND, ITALY, KIRIBATI, LIBERIA, LIECHTENSTEIN, LITHUANIA, LUXEMBOURG, MACEDONIA (former Yugoslav Republic), MALTA, MARSHALL ISLANDS, MAURITIUS, MEXICO, MICRONESIA (Federated States), MOLDOVA, MONACO, MOZAMBIQUE, NAMIBIA, NEPAL, NETHERLANDS, NEW ZEALAND, NICARAGUA, NIUE, NORWAY, PALAU, PANAMA, PARAGUAY, POLAND, PORTUGAL, ROMANIA, SAMOA, SAN MARINO, SAO TOME AND PRINCIPE, SENEGAL, SERBIA AND MONTENEGRO, SEYCHELLES, SLOVAK REPUBLIC, SLOVENIA, SOLOMON ISLANDS, SOUTH AFRICA, SPAIN, SWEDEN, SWITZERLAND, TIMOR-LESTE, TURKEY, TURKMENISTAN, TUVALU, UKRAINE, UNITED KINGDOM, URUGUAY, VANUATU, VATICAN CITY STATE, VENEZUELA



2. Abolitionist for ordinary crimes only

Countries whose laws provide for the death penalty only for exceptional crimes such as crimes under military law or crimes committed in exceptional circumstances


ALBANIA, ARGENTINA, BOLIVIA, BRAZIL, CHILE, COOK ISLANDS, EL SALVADOR, FIJI, ISRAEL, LATVIA, PERU

3. Abolitionist in practice

Countries which retain the death penalty for ordinary crimes such as murder but can be considered abolitionist in practice in that they have not executed anyone during the past 10 years and are believed to have a policy or established practice of not carrying out executions. The list also includes countries which have made an international commitment not to use the death penalty



ALGERIA, BAHRAIN, BENIN, BRUNEI DARUSSALAM, BURKINA FASO, CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC, CONGO (Republic), GAMBIA, GRENADA, KENYA, MADAGASCAR, MALAWI, MALDIVES, MALI, MAURITANIA, MOROCCO, MYANMAR, NAURU, NIGER, PAPUA NEW GUINEA, RUSSIAN FEDERATION, SRI LANKA, SURINAME, TOGO, TONGA, TUNISIA

4. Retentionist

Countries and territories which retain the death penalty for ordinary crimes

AFGHANISTAN, ANTIGUA AND BARBUDA, BAHAMAS, BANGLADESH, BARBADOS, BELARUS, BELIZE, BOTSWANA, BURUNDI, CAMEROON, CHAD, CHINA, COMOROS, CONGO (Democratic Republic), CUBA, DOMINICA, EGYPT, EQUATORIAL GUINEA, ERITREA, ETHIOPIA, GABON, GHANA, GUATEMALA, GUINEA, GUYANA, INDIA, INDONESIA, IRAN, IRAQ, JAMAICA, JAPAN, JORDAN, KAZAKSTAN, KOREA (North), KOREA (South), KUWAIT, KYRGYZSTAN, LAOS, LEBANON, LESOTHO, LIBYA, MALAYSIA, MONGOLIA, NIGERIA, OMAN, PAKISTAN, PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY, PHILIPPINES, QATAR, RWANDA, SAINT CHRISTOPHER & NEVIS, SAINT LUCIA, SAINT VINCENT & GRENADINES, SAUDI ARABIA, SIERRA LEONE, SINGAPORE, SOMALIA, SUDAN, SWAZILAND, SYRIA, TAIWAN, TAJIKISTAN, TANZANIA, THAILAND, TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO, UGANDA, UNITED ARAB EMIRATES, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, UZBEKISTAN, VIET NAM, YEMEN, ZAMBIA, ZIMBABWE

You have just gone and found exactly the information I was about to post. We are looking at two of the same pages. http://web.amnesty.org/pages/deathpenalty-countries-eng

Interesting the list of countries still practising includes lot of economically poor countries, most of the communist countries I can think of, and, most interestingly, America's political foes.

Well naturally. I am stalking you, remember?

I don't think that the death penalty is ever used for ordinary crimes. And if it is, then I'm against that. However, just think of the worst possible thing a human could do to another, and I guarantee it's been done many times. Some people who do unspeakable things deserve to just die, not sit it prison (which isn't too shabby nowadays). Last post for me. I'm looking forward to reading other opinions. Oh also, what would you consider ordinary crimes?

The death penalty in America is a response to poor financial management.

Does it still count as stalking if it quite turns me on?

*Edit - different kind of 'stalk'-ing I suppose.

That's all I have to say. I can no longer debate substantive issues on this forum, I am getting aneurysms.

Of course it does, if that's what gets you off.

Wait, is stalking an 'ordinary' crime? I may have to rethink this.

I'm having far too many conversatoins which other people seem to think end with 'it's all subjective' lately. I think I might cease talking, or talk a lot more so I can't hear them.

This is exactly my point...

It IS weird. But true.

We should just use the death penalty for everything and get rid of jails. Then use the money we would save to sponser oil development in irac.

anyone agree?

I'm having far too many conversations period. Seeing as no one's opinion but my own actually matters, I'm not sure why I bother.

That is very true. Although you're decieved - you only think that because your opinion happens to correlate with mine often. But you can be forgiven for thinking that yours is the only one that matters. I forgive you.

Why thank you, O Wise One.

I'm placating you. Because you have a massive cock.

Hehe. Time for a poll I think. You have pleased me enough to embark on another.

Good to know you're easy.

I even make bacon sandwhiches in the morning.

Rep points -

from sellouteater:

"You need some more points."

Be damned, you and your pity points! I think the red compliments my fiery silken locks.

I was trying to be polite i'm sorry i will take them back

hey, Пятхъдесят Шест, does the soda can on your avatar say korean for "bong bong?"

as for the death penalty, it is an extremely good deterrent, and it does cut down on tax money spent on people who have already forfeited their right to life through such heinous crimes as murder -- but the problem is that it can of course be misused by prosecutorial zealots and lead to the killing of the innocent. hopefully dna testing should alleviate some of that.

It was a nice gesture, and appreciated. I'm only yanking your chain.

*Wills herself to stop finding cock references in every utterance*

[quote=qprogeny79]hey, Пятхъдесят Шест, does the soda can on your avatar say korean for "bong bong?"quote]

As a matter of fact, it does. Great drink, walk yourself down to the nearest Asian market and pick some up.

Do you speak Korean? Because if you do, you deserve a medal.

It was my impression that it is actually more expensive to put someone to death than to keep them in prison for life, due to the expenses incurred in the appeals process.

I am against it simply because it has been used on the wrong people in the past and will be used on the wrong people in the future. It has been statistically disproved as a deterrent to capital crimes, thus making it really all about vengeance.
If we were to continue to have the death penalty and people are all up in arms about "victim's rights," I say let the families decide. More importantly, make the families actually carry out the sentence. You want 'em dead, you kill 'em.
Some would, some wouldn't. Some would surely have regrets on both sides of their decisions.

nope, don't speak the language itself, but i know the alphabet and a few words. i'm taking chinese next semester, and from what i understand about half of all korean words are borrowed from chinese, so hopefully i'll have a quasi-decent working knowledge a year or so from now.

I can speak no Korean, but from what I understand its quite difficult to master, as is Chinese.