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Hardcore Punk
This is probably the worst thing i can think happened to music in a few generations of supposedly 'serious' music fans.As you'll pelt me with bottles and try to sod me in public places,remember that its grime and austerity is as bad as finding a tumor in your genitals.Discuss.
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Hardcore: a lot of fun live. Necessarily a musical deadzone (it's modern folk music, and folk music is rarely about anything other than its social aspect). I like hardcore scenes because the music is all the same. I don't like the idea of hardcore archaeology. To me, that seems to miss the point.
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The actual genre per se doesn't tickle my fancy but it certainly triggered a few attidudes and playing in the american post-punk and such.
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Hardcore and punk are both older now than hippie was when punk started, and still position themselves as "edgy," which amuses me to no end, even though I enjoy some of that music a great deal. Most hardcore does pretty much sound exactly the same.
I consider noise to be "modern folk music" every bit as much as punk, perhaps even more so. |
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This post got my 'overbearing intellectual wanker' organ throbbing, but I'm far too tired to grace you with my thoughts. My ideas are resting on the fact that noise can only be folk contingent to hardcore/ late-20th century malaises, ergo, its content is mired in its context, it doesn't say anything at all about its people without several modifying contexts. |
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It says quite a lot about the young people of its generation, and it is even more accessible than punk in its immediacy and availability to people with no formal musical training. That is what I was talking about. DJ'ing, same thing in this framework. |
I think they're folk practices but not folk musics. The music itself needs content to rise above its function, surely?
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Sorry,co-exist peacefully,i meant.
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ergh, no? |
Husker Du, anyone? I know i'm in...
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I wouldn't classify Husker Du as hardcore. Hardcore has nowhere near enough tolerance of musical experimentation to allow them into its ranks.
Similarly, I wouldn't consider Minutemen to be hardcore either. |
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If you look what hardcore turned into with bands like Refused, Botch and Converge you'll see how diffrent hardcore bands can sound But you have to listen to it, its like people who don't listen to Jazz will say all Jazz sounds the same ... same with Classical, or Noise or any other genre diffrent then what your use to |
i've never heard the dead kennedys... should i?
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I dunno. Listen to some and then tell us what you think.
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ok then... i've found the fresh fruit lp for €15 so... i might give it a try
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on that note, i watched "american hardcore" this past weekend, and, as a friend put it, it came across as a "nostalgia movie". however it featured great footage of bad brains. didn't the hippies used to do the same? except that the woodstock movie was much better. anyway i don't mind, it's not the end-all be-all, but it was an important movement & all considering what other shit was going around... idol worshipping sucks, however, and so does nostalgia. btw porkie, have you listened to much pre-reggae bad brains? they were musically what all other hardcore bands could not be-- i mean real musicians :D |
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Disanalogy. |
Well, I spent the bulk of my teens listening to this kind of stuff, and yes, I could tell one band from another, so I guess in that sense it doesn't all sound exactly the same. However, you have to admit that hardcore punk is one of the easiest sounds to pigeonhole that there is, and I don't think most of its practitioners are particularly hung up on "originality" as much as just "getting into it." It's a very easily definable genre with very narrow borders.
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generally speaking nothing makes me want to see a band less than when its described as hardcore punk.
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"An ecletic mix of real rock n' roll influences" |
Gotta love black flag!
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That's true. But that's also the beauty of it. |
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Have you heard early Refused? It's hardcore. Their last album was branching out and making something more of the genre, hence the title: The Shape of Punk to Come. But they were also trying to get away from the hardcore crowd around the time of writing that album. |
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It's true, some of the early stuff makes you wonder how they could make an album like The Shape... (which isn't anything negative). |
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I love their earlier stuff! Their back in black cover is way better than the AC/DC version. It's songs like "Hate Breeds Hate" and "The Marlboro man's Dead" that make this band exceptionally good. The Shape was completely different from most of their stuff |
Their cover of Bullet by the Misfits is way better than the original too.
I haven't heard the Back in Black cover. I love AC/DC and I love Refused. |
It's a completely different style than the AC/DC version. Most people I know like it less though. And I didn't know that bullet is a cover either! I really want to get into more punk. All I listen to punkwise is Black Flag, Refused, Rites of Spring, and a few No Wave artists. Dennis Lyxzen is a nice guy though, although I only talked to him for a few seconds
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Dennis Lyxen was voted sexiest man in Sweden. Wierd, hey!
I abslutely detest AC/DC. |
Dennis is great. I saw Noise Conspiracy at the start of the year. One of the best live bands ever.
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Is that even a word? |
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wrong!!  |
have you ever even heard this record?!
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Hello darling!
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i'll take that as a no. |
The only site i have some old music on is playersparadise.Search for porkmarras and off you go.You'll probably need to download the midi player unless you have got one already.
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