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sarramkrop 11.17.2008 05:07 PM

Obama's Ethnic Background
 
Ok, now that America has a new president who doesn't look like white trash, what do you think is the most appropriate way Obama's ethnic background should be addressed like, if you think it needs pointing out?

I respect the fact you're not a racist, therefore you don't make it an issue, but can we ignore the fact that every second phrase used to describe him in the media seems to make such a fuss out of it?

Danny Himself 11.17.2008 05:12 PM

Black.

I mean, fuck it. He's not white.

EDIT: Hahah this post is so racist in hindsight! Oh well. I can dig it.

max 11.17.2008 05:15 PM

no big deal.
next!

Sonic Youth 37 11.17.2008 05:19 PM

Speaking as an American who has lived all his life in the Soutern US, I'd rather it be that he was full-on, 100% black, and I'm not talking just African American, I'm talking Djimon Hounsou black. That way there would be no question of what his ethnic background is and it would totally piss off everyone around here. I mean, I don't think him being "half-black" or "all-black" or even fucking "3/4s purple and striped" would have made any difference in the outcome of the election. Well done Barack!

uhler 11.17.2008 05:21 PM

a love supreme.

Rob Instigator 11.17.2008 05:39 PM

reverse the racist policies

Barack Obama is white!
(if a black great grandfather makes someone "black" then obama is one cracka ass lily white gringo!)

GeneticKiss 11.17.2008 05:45 PM

Who cares?

Toilet & Bowels 11.17.2008 06:34 PM

the day after the election it made me laugh that every newspaper felt the need to point out that he was the black president

floatingslowly 11.17.2008 07:04 PM

what color's jesus?
 

Sonic Youth 37 11.17.2008 07:06 PM

(insert water-into-Colt 45 joke here)

atsonicpark 11.17.2008 09:12 PM

I always was under the impression that a lot of people looked down upon multiracial marriages and children spawned from those relationship. Not me, of course, I could give a fuck less, but I remember um half-black/half-white kids getting picked on around here. Though perhaps it's because I don't live in New York or something where everyone looks like that. But I distinctly recall people saying back when I was younger than the BIBLE and GOD don't want people "mixin' dose racez".

Anyway, I kind of thought this was a step forward, electing someone of mixed ethnicity as president. Though, it would've been a bigger step if he was actually a full-blooded black man. And, of course, if the general populace still can't accept that gay people love each other, then we're all just moving backwards very rapidly, so this doesn't make a fuck either way.

Races.. who gives a fuck.

pbradley 11.17.2008 09:22 PM

You have a point, atsonicpark. Many people who are called racist (from the little of what I've gathered of course) aren't actually supremacist as they are segregationist. Their intense pride of their ethnicity finds more value in keeping races separate rather than subjugating the rest to their group given that subjugation could only come after segregation. Thus people of mixed race embody the breakdown that would make segregation impossible. It is one thing to be different than another person but it is another to, in their eyes, devalue the difference which they feel significantly defines them. In a way, Obama being mixed race is more of a significant advancement than being black by realizing the melting pot reality of the USA. However, Obama has already been aligned with the black race enough to undermine a great deal of this multiculturalist message.

atsonicpark 11.17.2008 09:27 PM

Yes, exactly.

....Did anyone hear about the president of the KKK who recently told people that if they were voting for Obama to vote for the white half of him?

Inhuman 11.17.2008 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbradley
 
intense pride of their ethnicity
finds more value in keeping races separate rather than subjugating
the rest to their group given that subjugation
could only come after segregation.
 


Pbradley meets Talib?
Yeah, the KKK showed up at the first debate and claimed that they didn't deny that black people were intelligent, just that they were never "meant" for an authoritative position.

I'm tired of hearing about how Obama's black. I'd forget about that detail if it wasn't for the media, I just thnk of him as the potential Jesus Christ of America.
 

Dead-Air 11.17.2008 09:37 PM

It is really sad that having the first black identified president-elect win in California probably made it possible that the anti-gay civil rights constitutional amendment passed there. There's a lot of homophobia in the black community, which is a particularly ironic shame.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 11.17.2008 09:39 PM

Barack Obama is black. African-Americans are naturalized Nigerians and Senegalese, the rest are black folk.

Reverse racism in this regard is a form of denial of Obama's blackness, I say in poor taste, let the man be a black man, it has its own dignity by itself.

pbradley 11.17.2008 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
Barack Obama is black. African-Americans are naturalized Nigerians and Senegalese, the rest are black folk.

Reverse racism in this regard is a form of denial of Obama's blackness, I say in poor taste, let the man be a black man, it has its own dignity by itself.

The man is black. The man is also white. To prioritize his blackness over white, one would legitimize the one-drop rule which holds that anyone who is cross between white and non-white is non-white. Thus, whiteness is pure and anything else is a contamination, which is by definition a racist concept. Obama is a black man and that cannot not be denied, but nor can his whiteness. One drop of white blood cannot deny his blackness and one drop of black blood cannot deny his whiteness but what is most dissatisfying of this either/or is that blood is red. Dignity comes from something more than pigment and cannot not be destroyed by racism, reverse or otherwise.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 11.17.2008 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbradley
The man is black. The man is also white. To prioritize his blackness over white, one would legitimize the one-drop rule which holds that anyone who is cross between white and non-white is non-white. Thus, whiteness is pure and anything else is a contamination, which is by definition a racist concept. Obama is a black man and that cannot not be denied, but nor can his whiteness. One drop of white blood cannot deny his blackness and one drop of black blood cannot deny his whiteness but what is most dissatisfying of this either/or is that blood is red. Dignity comes from something more than pigment and cannot not be destroyed by racism, reverse or otherwise.



yes, in the context of racism in America, mixed race folk should claim their blackness over their whiteness, but not in the derogatory context of the one-drop system, but in the opposite affect, to affirm the black identity, rather than deny or hide it. See, before the emergence of "say it loud" black nationalism, mixed folk spent their time trying to pass, denying their black heritage, and that is a damned shame to the black people who struggled to preserve their own identity across generations.

Barack Obama is black, to say anything else is to hide his blackness and affirm his white status for selfish gain. I say it again with no apologies, the man is black, and there is dignity in that by itself.

GeneticKiss 11.18.2008 01:16 AM

Again, I say:

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneticKiss
Who cares?


atsonicpark 11.18.2008 05:17 AM

Well, we're having a discussion, so we care about discussing it. And everyone in the world discusses it, so everyone in the world seems to care. While I don't PERSONALLY think it's a thing worth giving a fuck about, most people do give a fuck -- so it's worth discussing... it is an interesting discussion.. a rarity on SY Gossip. So, no need to keep quoting yourself.


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