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Well , Gail then that makes you part of the problem. Because now you say you don’t like it, but it’s only the women who say something about it that end up taking bullshit. So, because you’re afraid of being disrespected (and seeing what happens I understand that), you’re also willing to allow other women to be in the receiving end of that, so with your silence you contribute to it.
So when you say you are respected, it really means you’re silent or not as aggressive when you express your opinions. You said it very clearly: you see it, you don't like it but you keep that to yourself.
I can’t help but wonder the outcome would have been different if knox was a black guy complaining he feels something on the board is disrespectful and makes black people uncomfortable. But for some reason, sexism isn’t so much of an issue and we don’t even have the right to feel disrespected.
The simply story is that after a long debate, everyone (including Rob, who was surprisingly willing) agreed that it was reasonable to keep photos in certain threads to stop scaring women away and making them feel uncomfortable. This happened after a discussion, nothing was imposed. So far, so good but at the first sign of that agreement being ignored I said something and the result was ridicule, disrespect and personal insults. (I sent a private message to explain myself better and received the same kind of disrespect as a response).
So, that obviously says his stand is: I do not care if women leave, if they feel uncomfortable, they can shut up or leave. Kind of sad and disheartening from someone I always considered intelligent and articulate.
I’ve read racist and sexist things on this board that astonished me. Glice is right when he says most SY fans are straight white males, but I know lots who are female and gay – they are no longer represented here. In fact, there’s only three of us posting regularly – me, you and ploesj. Are those all the women interested on this board? I doubt. Most of them aren’t active or have left and there are reasons for that. What happened to that girl who argued with atsonicpark when he said sexist things? Gone. And that other one who liked bikini kill and all? Gone.
You cannot convince me that there are only 3 women in the world interested in posting here and all the others just left for no reason. You just said – it makes you feel uncomfortable, it makes all women feel the same way. Perhaps I was naïve to think people were actually willing to make this place a little bit more comfortable for us?
I have no interest in being in all-female or all-male environments.
And about free speech – I think people are misguided if they think it means doing whatever they want while everyone else has to shut up about it. I’m exercising my right to free speech when I complain, I have to know what I do might have consequences.
You have values, I have values too – fairness. It isn’t fair on women who’d like to participate, and it isn’t fair or in any way proportional that I received that kind of treatment from symbol for pointing out I wasn’t too happy with his display of hypocrisy. The sad, sad lesson is that there are people out there that aren’t even willing to create a more female friendly environment. They’re quite happy to see them go away or feel afraid to express their opinions.
I’m not telling people what to do – I’m telling them what I think.
It doesn’t make me feel any less disrespected if that happens on the internet. Because what really insults me is the human neglect behind it, not where it happens.
It won’t scare ME away tho.
And Glice – I’m not sure what you meant, let me read your question again.
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