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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
mine is simple, america is corrupt. just because it is not the most corrupt, does not some how vindicate its existing corruption. as an american, I am upset with this, and I do believe I have the option to want to get my own house in order, especially if it happens to fuck up my already dysfunctional neighbors around the world.
I don't honestly understand what all the backlash is about, corruption and violence and poverty is the same thing regardless of degrees..
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Nobody with any sense could ever argue that America isn't corrupt. Of course it is.
Really corrupt, especially relative to a lot of other so-called First World countries. But while you may not have meant it to, your reply to !@#$%!'s point did seem to suggest that you considered the US to be atleast on a par with countries like Haiti. That was what I was questioning, not whether the US was corrupt or not. America is the most powerful country in the world right now, so it's inevitable that its corruption is gonna have a far greater global impact than the far more rampant corruption that exists in other parts of the world.
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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
but how much of the corruption in Iraq, Sudan, Burma, Afghanistan, Somalia, Iran, Haiti are in relation to US businesses, military and foreign policies 
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That's a very good point and far harder to argue against. Although I personally think that while us foreign policy is a key factor, the political infrastructures in most of those countries were installed by European colonisers and were corrupt long before America got its hand in. Not to mention the unleashing of more indigenous problems that had effectively been supressed during their time as colonies.