[atsonicpark]

Donkey Kong Country is absolute garbage. Those gams are so terrible. So so so terrible. You know who hates those games? MIYAMOTO! Shigeru Miyamoto said the reason he made Yoshi's Island was in response to how awful Donkey Kong Country is. A lot of people made a big deal about those games at the time, sicne they were pretty, but NO ONE reeally likes em nowadays. I played through all 3 about 4 years ago, just to have played through them. Then I sold all 3 at the same time on ebay ande mde $50. So, for making me $50 and inspiring Yoshi's Island to be a masterpiece, I congratulate it... otherwise, well, it sucks. If you want to talk good platformers for the SNES, check out Skyblazer, which is what platforming is all about (jumping, flipping, flying, etc). Of course Mario World and Yoshi's Island are better than most Genesis platformers -- but the Genesis has Ristar, Tinhead (both underrated), and the aformeentioned Pulseman... let's not forget KID CHAMELEON, my favorite platformer of all time; 100 weird ass levels of fun. Platofrming perfection, basically.

I noted that SNES had great Enix/Square games, but unfortunately niether company made Beyond Oasis (one of the beat em up games ever.. meets an RPG. GENIUS!) or Landstalker (like A LINK TO THE PAST but way more fun). Can't forget Light Crusader. Phantasy Star IV is one of my favorite RPG's ever, as ar ethe Shining Force games. Funnily enough, the best SNES RPG's (Treasure Hunter G, Tales of Phantasia, Secret of Mana 2) never made it here. But I'd still agree that the SNES has better RPG's.. but that's it. That's the whole genre it exceeds in, but if you're going to play RPG's, most people are going to play the PS1.

The different models of the Genesis were to lower the cost, by removing the headphone jack and soem other components. Most successful game system has had re-releases -- the ps1, ps2, ps3, xbox360, etc. all have had re-released; even the Dreamcast did, in its short time. Of course Sega is a stupid company -- but that doesn't take away from the Genesis being an awesome system.

The Sega CD actully was an AMAZING system, with that Out of this World sequel, Popful Mail, the AMAZING Silpheed, Snatcher, and 2 Lunar games, which justified the price of the system.

The Saturn is probably Sega's best system, period. But only in Japan. Unfortunately, the only game that really rocked that came out here was Panzer Dragoon Saga and Guardian Heroes. Sega of America dropped the ball repeatedly; many of PS1's best games (Gradia, Silhouette Mirage) were Saturn ports. Saturn is, bar none, the best system of all time for shoot em ups; there are like 100 great ones for the Saturn. It's relatively easy to get a Japanese Saturn, or to use the 4mb Expansion Cart or a gameshaerk to paly imported Saturn games (and burnt ones). The Saturn ruled.

The only misstep was the 32X... I would count it as Sega's Virtual Boy, in its shittiness.


Your list of games was a joke, btw. Stunt Race FX? Yoshi's Safari? Piltowings? KILLER INSTINCT (horrible game, unless you have no interest in fighting games as a serious genre)?! Those are not games you want to throw in someone's face when trying to defend the SNES (which, btw, is a great system, one I still own -- though, only for Tetris Attack, Metroid, and Yoshi's Island). Also, Wario's Woods was on the NES originally, and was a lot better.

My list on the last page had lots of great SNES games that were somewhat obscure, but I could easily, at the top of my head, make a list of 300-400 great Genesis games with no problem. I thin you seem to to only talk about the most mainstream, obvious choices -- for both systems. Not many people know the game Ranger X, but everyone who has played it for the Genesis will say that it's better than just about any SNES game ever. Also, ALISIA DRAGOON is better than most SNES platformers. Have you even played Gunstar Heroes, BTW?

Also, Contra Hard Corps, once again, is an experinece you just can't get anywhere else.

SNES had Square and Enix, but the Genesis had Treasure (keep in mind Treasure was an offshoot of a Konami team, the one who developed Bloodlines and Hard Corps and Rocket Knight Adventures -- 3 of the best games ever made!).

The Genesis is my favorite system of all time, though the PS1 is DEFINITELY the best system of all time, by far (it has 4000 games for it... I only own about 250 games for it -- and none of them is shit like Crash Bandicoot.. it's all strategies/puzzle/fighting/platforming.. and of course, games which can't even be described). SNES would probably be # 3, if only for Tetris Attack and Metroid.


I'd say there are about 10-15 completely indispensable games for the SNES, ones that are impossible to live wiuthout, that every gamer needs to play through. I think, in that case, it definitely has more games than the Genesis in that field. But if you just want to talk about an extremely complete, brilliant, amazing system, encompassing all genres... THE GENESIS is where it's at.

I highly reccomend playing some Genesis games that are a bit more obscure, like Twinkle Tale up there, DeCap Attack, Ranger X, the Haunting starring Poulterguy, and even something that is well known like Streets of Rage 3. The Genesis was fast as hell, always had amazing music, and some truly dark, fucked up games (Chakan: The Forever Man STILL creeps m e out.. can't beat that).

No offense, but I really would not use Killer Instinct or the Donkey Kong Country games in any kind of argument if you expect to try to makea case for the quality of the SNES. Those games are embarassing. Funnily enough, Donkey Kong Country looks like a masterpiece next to Donkey Kong 64, maybe my most hated game of all time.

One more thing I'd like to focus on is EXCLUSIVES: the reason to own the Genesis is because of all the EXCLUSIVES; most of those games never ended up anywhere else (except for that recent ps3/xbox port and in some Japanese collections). You can't find Gunstar Heroes or Dynammite Heady or Light Crusader or Landstalker or Beyond Oasis or Ranger X or Pulseman or Granda or Truxton or Subterania anywhere else! Ever! But the SNES? The GBA version of Yoshi's Island is better. The DS version of Tetris Attack is better. The GBA version of Mario World is better. The GBA version of Breath of Fire II is better. The DS version of Chrono Trigger is better. Link to the Past on GBA is better. It goes on and on and on and on (though Super Metroid has never had any re-releases, strangely -- neither did Earthbound, aexcept in Japan, and Super Mario RPG -- the Paper Mario games arew better than Mario RPG, BTW). So, really, the Genesis is a smarter choice of a system to buy if you want some exclusive games.

Anyway, if you want your mind blown bt the snes, play that R2 game I was talking about a few days ago, play some Enix classics like EVO, Terranigma, Illusion of Gaia, etc. It will hopefully make you forget about Rare. (and don't get me wrong, I thought donkey Kong Country was awesome when I was 10 years old but...)

Sega was basically the best releaser in the world of truly hardcore games, which is why they failed, since most peopel wouldr ather play boring, obvious crap.

Also, you don't like Sonic games? Haha.. what?! YOU'D RATHER PLAY DONKEY KONG COUNTRY THAN SONIC THE HEDGEHOG 2? Sorry, man, no one's going to take you seriously after that one, bro.

As for Dreamcast, it's better than any system Nintendo has made aside from the NES or SNES. I LOVE Ogre Battle 64, both Zeldas (which I'd rather play on my GameCube disc), Space Station Silicon Valley, Mario 64, Goldeneye, Blast corps, Jet Force Gemini, Star Soldier, and Sin and Punishment........... hmmm. I think that's it, really. The GameCube was about as successful, with Pikmin and Animal Crossing and.. well... all the other games I liked for it were on the PS2 or the Dreamcast. The Wii is probably about as successful, with Madworld and 2 No More Heroes games.. and... well.. hm. THANK GOD FOR THE DS, EH? ... But, yeah, I guess I just tend to like systems with games in every single genre that are good (like the ps1 and ps2; CASTLEVANIA: SYMPHONY OF THE NIGHT, Persona 2, Internal Section, Adventures of little Ralph blow away the entire N64 lineup; Tales of the Abyss, Dragon Quest VIII, Disgaea 2, Okami, Zone of the Enders 2, Chaos Legion, and literaly 500000 more blow away the GameCube).

Super Mario World, Yoshi's Island, Super Mario All-Stars, Super Metroid, Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, Starfox, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, Donkey Kong Country, Donkey Kong Country 2, Donkey Kong Country 3, Earthbound, Killer Instinct, Pilotwings, F-Zero, Super Mario Kart, Kirby Superstar, Stunt Race FX, Yoshi's Safari, Mario Paint, Wario's Woods...

I really can NOT believe you didn't put Tetris Attack in that list. Mindblowing.

At least we can all agree that the XBOX is probably the worst system ever made.