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Originally Posted by DeadDiscoDildo
And I did NOT vote for that asshole who started the war, so what are you trying to say?
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what asshole was that in particular? The US finds itself in Afghanistan, first and foremost as a geopolitical consequence of the US interest and investment in heroin, which is how we ended up in Vietnam. The US war in Vietnam forced the heroin production to shift westward, inevitably finding Afghanistan (just as US involvement in Peru pushed coca to Colombia). So the Russians jumped into Afghanistan because they love heroin about as much as Americans, and so the US found itself arming and funding the mujihadeen (and those leaders today we call the Taliban, Al Queda, and bin Laden). We also funded the Iraqis to counter the Iranians..
These came to a head in the 1990s, when the Taliban took over and when the US fought its first war against Saddam.. Then Clinton got the US military covertly involved in a lot places across the globe, so much so that more US military personnel were killed overseas under Clinton than under Bush II (surprising isn't it)..
These geopolitics stimulated the "terrorists" and so there were a series of bombings and such that culminated in so-called "9/11" and the subsequent invasions of Afghanistan (and Pakistan) and Iraq (and other places in the region for our military bases and logistics)..
So blame who Bush II? Take that shit all the way back the Truman and the OSS involvement in the former French-Indochina, take it up until Reagan and all his bullshit, and don't forget Bush I, and Clinton's trickster ways, and then we get Bush II escalating the trend. Is Obama off the hook by default? Fucking nonsense, its been TWO YEARS already, and the war(s) are far from over, in fact they are further destabilizing and escalating..
I say blame ourselves for being so damned complacent
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Originally Posted by knox
yes.
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well, that is a shit of a plan if you ask me, and is honestly quite counter-productive