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Originally Posted by ann ashtray
I'd like to seea world where people don't feel in the unknowns withthe unnecessary.
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haaa haaaa haaaa haaa. YES.
i'd like to see you spell better so other people would take some of your statements more seriously, but this one above is brilliant (and funny) and i wanted to point that out.
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Originally Posted by tesla69
I used to think I was an atheist but I've come to believe its just as far fetched to say that the miracle of consciousness arose from random chance mixing of amino acids in pools of water over billions of years as from a deity. More and more I find myself thinking about the cloud of plasma and electrons that was spread across the universe for untold billions of years before congealing down into galaxies and stars...and how the electrical activity in that plasma cloud could have become a unified consciousness...
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consciousness is wonderful but not a "miracle", otherwise it would be rare. consciousness is a mirror of the world around it, which then takes on a few emergent properties, and voila, you have "consciousness", but things like photosensitivity start with unicellular organisms. is photosensitivity of an euglena a form of "consciousness"? well, yes it is. it's very primitive but there you have it. it's not supernatural or miraculous though.
don't think of information as something out of this world, but rather, as a 3rd type of matter (the 1st being "matter" proper, the 2nd being energy). structure and organization count for something, but they aren't "out of this world".
information is all over the universe. take a fossil, a print from ancient life forms. is a fossil cool? fuck yes. is it mind-fucking amazing? absolutely. but is it a supernatural "miracle"? not really.
miracles go against the laws of nature, but in nature information has a tendency to cluster and grow and can be transformed into energy (see "
szilard's engine"). information ("consciousness") is part of nature just like energy and matter.
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ps: see also:
negentropy