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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
So what are you waiting for, a personal experience one way or the other? I am quite curious what would be the defining factors for the definitive answer in the atheistic direction. I agree with of all y'all that God can not be proven, but I'm a psychedelic, existentially we realistically can never prove ANYTHING actually exists in any kind of way in 100% absolutes, perception makes reality entirely subjective. That being said, I am well versed in the kinds of affirmative religious experiences, but I've never really thought about it philosophically as to what is the convincing 100% argument against any kind of deities or spiritual entities beyond physical perception.
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Honestly, I'm not really waiting on anything. I don't feel as if I need answers to these sort of questions to have a better/more meaningful life. Not knowing what happens after I die (as an atheist I don't think anything happens) isn't something that usually bothers me all that much, nor does it have any effect on the way I think I should live my life. Not knowing every detail as to why or how I am here doesn't bother me, either.
And you are right. Nothing can ever truly be "proven". This is why science tends to stay away from the word "fact". We can be pretty certain, but never truly know anything for a fact. Evolution is still only a theory (one I hope most accept)...but at least it's a theory that can be tested. There is evidence in which can be examined. Why are we encouraged to get a new flu shot each year? The virus evolves. Why do our skeletons look different than that of our ancestors? God hasn't really left us anything to examine. Of course we can say "god is everywhere", but there is nothing as obvious as his signature in the clouds.
Now...what would it take for me to believe in god without any doubt? Hard to say. An actual conversation with him (the sort in which I can hear him talking back and don't have to rely on faith that he'll respond in some small/abstract/highly questionable way). I really can't answer this question, honestly.
But in attempt of answering your question (at least, what I think you are trying to ask)...I can't really answer this, either. At least, not far beyond saying most of the things in which I've been taught about god often seem completely bogus to me. I can't see god being the sort of being that decisively interacts with us on any level. I can't see a self aware/single entity god. I could possibly buy into the "we and everything around us is part of god", and that "when we die we all go on to some sort of collective conciousness ie nature" <( unaware of ourselves after death as individual entities)...but even this I don't belive. Just, there is no reason for me to believe in god. I know I keep saying that, but that's the best response I can come up with. There is not a shred of evidence that tells me some sort of god "obviously exists". There is very, very little that tells me a god might even exist.