[Glice]

Ok, generally ugly thread, knox is right and this is pretty much why a lot of good posters fled. Even the people with worrying levels of internet masochism (myself).

I've been dwelling on this idea lately that one of the perpetual problems is this idea that 'the problem' exists in 'someone else'. It's like the 'racism is white skinheads kicking people's heads in'. That's a part of it, but only ever part. Many sorts of people - mostly people that aren't identified the same way as me - face constant harassment, psychological abuse and general dehumanisation. Not everyone chooses to identify with that - some of them because it's easier to live without constant self-assertions of negativity, some because they genuinely don't feel it, some because they've thickened their skin - but the most of them falling under the constant, discrete and unchallenged yoke of repetition. If you do not identify with the people saying they're having a shit time, shut the fuck up rather than telling them they're wrong.

It's the internet, and most folk are likely to ignore this. Sadly, the score with this forum is that I talk to the people who were listening elsewhere (or they disappeared), and the rest of you are fucking animals. I'm lucky, in that I'm one of the privileged ones - white and cis-male. I'm from a country with masses of problems, but I recognise it could be worse. The extent of that 'worse' is largely foreclosed to me, partly by things like the media, partly from personal and discrete deliberate ignorance(s) I may be unaware of. But... generally speaking, a lot of the shit being talked here is not helpful, and while you think you're not part of the problem you are. I am too. I'm struggling with it, rather than patronising the one person here who can be fucked to continue tussling with you moronic twats.

Knox is fucking awesome.