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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
for the record knox (if you read this i don't know), i am not against you criticizing the objectification and stereotyping of people based on gender, nationality, etc. i actually was protesting a stupid racist joke here the other day. i'm not saying this to justify that i'm some sort of saint, i'm just saying it so that the direction of my attacks against you isn't conflated with attacks against your general cause.
i'm just clarifying here because you seem to think (or imply) that i'm against fairness, that i'm for the male supremacy. i'm not. i'm against the tyranny of self-appointed ayatollahs, but that's another story.
while i didn't find rob's initial post appealing, the one that came across as creepy (to me anyway) was bytor's request for photos.
now the thing is-- i actually support discussing and questioning those things. i was actually going to chime in, in my own fashion, but then when i looked again things had gone elsewhere.
where i come in to fight you is in your approach that accomplishes nothing but alienate people.
yes, you may feel morally superior implying that rob is an enabler of rape, you may feel like a martyr because nobody listens to you, but really, if your goal is social change, insulting people for crimes they didn't commit will not achieve that. the very act of being put on trial will cause them to "not listen" as you complain. people will default to the defensive stance.
now, ironically enough, that's the very same approach i take towards you, namely, i call you stupid and insane while i try to convince you to be smarter and saner-- and obviously it backfires. so i'm not practicing what i'm preaching. the difference though is that i'm not trying to educate like you say you do-- i'm just fighting.
the only reason i'm fighting you on this is because you come into the thread swinging a battleaxe in all directions, screaming bloody murder, and i look and say "hey, is this a private fight, or can anyone join?".
but just so you know, i'll repeat-- i'm not fighting for sexism and objectification, i'm just fighting against pigheadedness, unfocused rage, overreaching accusations, poor arguments, and silliness such as "stop doing what you do because i say so." there are better arguments against sexism and objectification than "because i say so, you filthy man."
why i fight, you might ask? because i like to fight, and you're offering the occasion. and i suspect the same is whith everyone who isn't "listening" to you-- they are trying, but you keep calling them names instead. smooth move!
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