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!@#$%! · 07.30.2013, 11:21 AM

so im reading this list of "basic human needs" (post-maslow) and i see there listed next to each other "identity" and "freedom"

subsistence
protection
affection
understanding
participation
leisure
creation
identity
freedom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundame...ation_of_Needs

identity is belonging (to a group, obviously).

then later thinking about global corporate rule (which got me started on this "basic human needs" search in the first place) i remember how belonging and freedom can so often be at odds, i.e., "this is what we as a group do and you can't break the rules"

then i realize (it's not like i invented gunpowder, but anyway, even 2+2 requires an operation) you can have your cake and eat it if you have power. you simultaneously belong (at the very center) and have freedom (to create rules). needs = met.

a society of free individuals would have to be by necessity (?) one of reasonably distant and loosely associated people. a frontier-like kind of environment with little personal fiefdoms.

crowd people in cramped quarters and with all the mandatory belonging and competing drives for "freedom" (to lord it over others) a hierarchy will quickly emerge.

for this very reason I AM MOVING TO ANCTARTICA.

07.30.2013, 11:21 AM	#1
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,729	so im reading this list of "basic human needs" (post-maslow) and i see there listed next to each other "identity" and "freedom" subsistence protection affection understanding participation leisure creation identity freedom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundame...ation_of_Needs identity is belonging (to a group, obviously). then later thinking about global corporate rule (which got me started on this "basic human needs" search in the first place) i remember how belonging and freedom can so often be at odds, i.e., "this is what we as a group do and you can't break the rules" then i realize (it's not like i invented gunpowder, but anyway, even 2+2 requires an operation) you can have your cake and eat it if you have power. you simultaneously belong (at the very center) and have freedom (to create rules). needs = met. a society of free individuals would have to be by necessity (?) one of reasonably distant and loosely associated people. a frontier-like kind of environment with little personal fiefdoms. crowd people in cramped quarters and with all the mandatory belonging and competing drives for "freedom" (to lord it over others) a hierarchy will quickly emerge. for this very reason I AM MOVING TO ANCTARTICA.
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