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Originally Posted by Severian
They really are, though. The high they produce is a symptom of their toxicity. Scientifically speaking, they're toxic.
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Nope. I disagree fundamentally.
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Black mold makes you hallucinate too. Just because mushrooms don't kill you (in theory) doesn't mean they aren't toxic. A lot of people vomit after ingesting them.
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This is because it causes nausea as part of the high, not some kind of toxic shock reaction.
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Their bodies try to get rid of the substance. That's a sign of toxicity if ever there was one. They're fungus. They are literally a toxic substance with euphoric side-effects.
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Sorry broham you are wrong in this one.
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Here, from one of those "science" websites (shroomery.org)
Psilocybin does not qualify as a highly toxic substance when one uses traditional measures of acute toxicity such as the LD 50 (the dose required to kill 50% of experimental animals, usually rats.) Psilocybin has an LD 50 of 280mg/kg. In comparison, the LD 50’s of LSD, THC (the active compound in marijuana), and mescaline are 30mg/kg, 42mg/kg, and 370 mg/kg. Thus, when death is considered as the toxic endpoint, psilocybin is one of the least toxic of the hallucinogens.
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you realize that dose would require eating pounds of mushrooms yes?
we are arguing semantics now. Sure, EVERYTHING can kill you at some dose, even WATER. However, there is a common misconception that psilocybin mushrooms are "poisonous" and that the high is some kind of effect from this poision like a venom or something. Nonsense. It is just a psychoactive experience caused by ingesting psilocybin. It is not in any way a toxic reaction, like say the hallucinations that can accompany a snake bite. Again the throwing up part is not because of being poisoned, it is just part of the initial high. Is what it is. When people throw up from drinking too much alcohol btw it is not the body having some kind of toxic reaction, rather it is simply because alcohol causes an extreme imbalance in the fluids in the inner ear, throwing up from alcohol has nothing to do with being poisoned, its more like a chemically induced form of motion sickness. Again, you are smarter than this i know it