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Originally Posted by Severian

Hip hop is 40. Has to be. Doing the math... Afrika, Kurtis Blow... gotta be at least 40, maybe 42. But hey, that's quite a bit younger than punk was when Nevermind hit. Maybe there's hope.

Even if there's no hope for the bigger artists, underground rappers like Open Mike Eagle, Milo, Shabazz Palaces, Homeboy Sandman, Black Milk, etc. are still making interesting hip-hop, even if it lacks a bit of the wow factor.

i placed it at 1985 and im comfortable with my decision. lets say anything before that is proto-rap