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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

that is absolute bullshit and you know it as well as i do. he could have supported the party, de facto endorsing Overlord Hillary, without actually outright endorsing her. his candidacy was supposedly about a radical criticism of the mainline party norms, seems crass not responsible to kowtow to the party for really no reason at all.




not at all, why are you so obsessed with false dichotomies? its like you are hard wired to always see everything and everyone through a polarity.


I can't tell you how many people who Felt the Bern were very very antagonistic against Overlord Hillary. i knew all along he would endorse her, but his campaign milked their support and so he titled towards attacking her very character in the final months of the primaries. it was unnecessarily ugly to be frank.

he pandered to them then sold them out and now they are burned and discouraged. they would have voted for other democrats in local and congressional spots even if not for Hillary, now? many just won't vote.

of course a lot of berniebros are bummed out and burned out and throwing tantrums because they couldn't get all they wanted for christmas.

endorsing the democratic party without endorsing hillary would be a ridiculous maneuver. laughable, insulting, and ultimately undermining. what would he accomplish with that, exactly? give the republicans more fodder? absurd.

it surprises me that for someone who studies history you don't get that politics, if it aims to serve the people, is about getting results, not about making empty gestures. but see, no-- i remember you criticizing pussy riot for more or less that. so which one is it? me, i think it's fitting for pussy riot to make empty gestures because they're young and they're in the propaganda business and they're not in charge of anything

bernie sanders isn't pussy riot though. he's a leader of the liberal wing of a very large party that has other factions that want a piece of the next administration. if he's going to have a positive impact in the next 4 years he needs to get a place at the table and have some influence, not make himself a pariah by acting childish.

because he is a mature, responsible, somewhat wise individual, i'm guessing he figures he can put aside his pride and his ego and serve a bigger cause than self-aggrandizing through empty adolescent gestures.

should the democrats win, he'll have elizabeth warren as the leading democrat in the senate, he'll have access to the administration, and then they can start making a difference where it counts which is writing and enacting policies that benefit the working and middle class.

taking your toys and walking away doesn't get you anybody to play with.