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Originally Posted by Derek
As if you are gonna convince me that I'm wrong! Healthcare 4 ALL!!
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ah yes, who needs evidence and reason when you can have magical chants?
you’re smarter than this, well, shit, i was also smarter than that but used to hold similar beliefs once upon a time. unfortunately i was ignorant and had been bamboozled by power lusty collectivists who offered “not the same thing as before”. so i wasnt a commie but i thought there was “some way”. it failed of course.
hahahahaaaa.
hey, do you remember sandinismo? have you seen daniel ortega lately?
haaaahaaaahaaaa.
that mother fucker. hanging on to power just like all the other power lusty authoritarians. pig walking on 2 legs.
and you make fun of bolsonaro (an eejit) but forget it was lula/rouseff/temer’s corruption and mismanagement who brought him to power.
yes yes, “this time won’t be like last time”, yes. lolol. same fucking broken record. same thing since 1917.
anyway, in my state of new mexico we’re working hard at actually providing health care for all, and lowering costs, while also preserving consumer choice.
we have expanded medicaid (it sucks, massive bureaucracy, but better than nothing), and 40% of residents are already enrolled in it.
we have community health centers (these are great, i used to just pay out of pocket, cheap), we have obamacare health exchanges for individuals, we have employer-provided health plans, and we have the indian health service for federally recognized tribes.
since obamacare was implemented the uninsured rate was cut in half, we now have 9% left without insurance, but people who receive treaty-funded medical care at the indian health service don’t actually need insurance.
although the ihs encourages their constituents to get insurance, there are many exemptions, and in practice most people are exempt from the insurance requirement or any copays. i havent researched the math but i know first hand mega-numbers of people that depend on ihs alone, so, they are “uninsured”, but they get treaty-funded healthcare, free at the point of service. visits, meds, vaccinations, hospitalizations, pregnancies, everything.
ihs is not the best quality, but depending where you are it can be pretty decent. santa fe ihs is fucking nice for primary care.
there is also a large number of undocumented immigrants who are not eligible for medicaid expansion so that goest towards that 9%.
but there is also now a bill in the works to let people buy into medicare expansion voluntarily.
of course all of that is not reducible to a basic chant hahahaha. who needs policy, and economics, and statistics, and reason, when you can fix all of messy reality with chants?
voluntarupurchaseofmedicaodexpansion NOW!!!