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Originally Posted by Derek

How much does it really affect the election? Have any of you changed who you're voting for based on what I've said, whether positive or negative? How many people even still read this board?

it’s a case of “as above, so below” kinda. or “all politics is local”

we have big things happening out there but we talk about them in small conversations.

i actually of course listen to points you make and i go look them up on my own. the fact that you make those points is important for the people who read this thread. of course you’re not the only source, but the people who hang out here see this, then go repeat elsewhere.

as i’ve said in this thread before, i have been losing my fear of bernie lately. and i can see the arguments about electability as more speculation based than fact based, given his results.

so if the points you make count, HOW you make those points also counts. some people can look past the abrasion, some people are turned off by it.

the problem is one of mathematics like the link i posted you explained. how many people you win vs how many people you lose. but let me quote his midway conclusion:

“ I don't think this kind of hard sell is good business. I don't think hard sell is okay even when we're selling something good for people. It leaves an ugly sticky negative residue. Sort of like the ring in the tub, after we played football, that my mom used to hate. You could also call it a bad aftertaste.”

bernie himself (and i have posted you quotes) has come out against personal attacks carried out on his behalf. and while your posts for mr trick aren’t actual personal attacks, they’re awful salesmanship, and i see them backfiring and leaving the filthy residue. this of course is a repetition of what happens elsewhere on the internet, and will continue to repeat from here.

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now on the purely positive side of this thread here kuhb has been talking about mmt, and he’s got me reading stuff, and little epiphanies occur. like you probably know, i’m interested in economics, and will often discuss policies in those terms. he also recommended me andrew hill’s “point of departure” some time ago and wow. but anyway it’s great to have a nice conversation with people about ideas, and that’s what over the years has kept me around this board. even if things degenerate on a regular basis because this is the fucking internet after all. but yes. good things can happen.

ok.