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well, i was referring to how the media went on this "industrial" craze by the mid-90's when everyone with a digital pedal board distortion, samples from tv and movies and distorted vocals were industrial. it certainly is an open genre, but there were bands that had little or no sound related to the industrial spirit that you describe, you had stuff ranging from synth pop with distorted guitars (nine inch nalis) to skronky rock with extensive uses of samples (early manson) getting tagged as the "new wild sound sweeping the airwaves". ministry and rammstein do have more in common with classic sound industrial, and some of manson's antichrist superstar have the beat driven dark and sinister trashcan noise qualities of industrial. godflesh are like an entity of their own, in my opinion.
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