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what i can grasp, and what other people seem to have trouble grasping is that glice is saying that there must be qualities inherent in the music of merzbow that people latch on to that have made him popular in the first place, why so many people like him, how it is that he has come to be in the position of selling more records than other noise acts, must bare some relationship to the sound of the music. if liking music was as entirely subjective, as some people are suggesting, the all bands would have an approximately equal number of fans. surely in a field like noise, that is particularly underground to the point where, in comparison to almost all other genres of music, there is very little in the way of touring bands, or marketing, or media coverage, where due to practical financial reasons most releases are highly limited, where word of mouth is among the primary means of information dissemination, that an artist's popularity must have some relationship to what people feel they gain from listening to the sound of said artist's music, otherwise all noise bands would have an even listnership. Therefore, we can safely assume that merzbow's music has qualities that other Noise music lacks, but also, that if one piece of Noise music has qualities, then these same qualities are applicable to the whole genre, but in varying amounts. Therefore, Glice is trying to determine what it is that these qualities are, and not just, "i like merzbow because i just do", which is equivalent to saying "i don't know why i like it". some people's attitude seems to be that they aren't interested in understanding why they like something in anymore than the most superficial way, those people then accuse anyone who is interested in trying to understand of being pretentious.
i can understand that intellectualizing noise seems to be in opposition to the spirit of the genre, but it is very difficult to talk clearly and precisely about such things without using very careful phrasing (to avoid being misunderstood) and specific terms that are outside normal day to day vocabulary.
anyway noumenal, i think i called you pretentious in that thread about rocknroll, because you did say something that was a bit pretentious! normally i don't find you pretentious! (although i can be prone to flare up about such things due to experiencing severe pretense-o-twat fatigue in my real life)
sorry if i didn't need to paraphrase what other people have already been saying, but it seemed like other people were missing their points entirely.
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