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Originally Posted by pantophobia
well thats the thing, the senate can just as easily be a set back for him, it's been along time since a sitting senator has won a presidential election, look at Kerry, he was in the Senate far too long, and his own votes backfired on him
four of the last five presidents have been Governors, the ability to manage a state government is more resume building then a seat in the congress, by that thinking Tom Vilsack or Bill Richardson become more qualified
also, 2012 is only good for Obama if the Republicans win in 08, Obama would have to wait until 2016 if a Democrat other then him wins, it's political suicide for a party if a sitting president looking for a second term has strong competition from his own party in the primaries, look at Eugene McCarthy challenging Johnson in 68, Pat Buchanan challenging Bush Sr in 92, it means the party is already in turmoil and will lose
so for Barack Obama, I think you go for it now and see how the waters are, otherwise if your party wins (there is no guarantee of that) you wait 8 years, vote in the senate and not make a hypocrite of yourself, and become too entangled in DC politics
but i will guarantee you one thing, we won't have a fundamentalist right-wing president in 08, bill frist smartly dropped his bid cause he knew it wouldn't fly, regardless of the economic standpoint, the next president will be social moderate or liberal, Bush hurt the conservatives too bad for their agenda to be re-elected again, so the Republicans are very much in favor of the more Moderate leaning members of the party McCain and Giuliani to be the head
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hmmmmmm.............
good points, good points, you got me rethinking now!
however, re: giuliani, have people forgotten before 911 he was a protofascist mayor whose cops raped immigrants with toilet plungers? oh yes im putting that squarely on his shoulders-- he has a history with hatians... but anyway, he's going to wrap himself in the 911 flag and run as a hero not as the [...] who covered up and glossed over the air pollution problem in lower manhattan (asbestos hotspots, etc). anyway sure nobody is perfect but rudy giuliani is downright scary, oh, wait & see...
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Originally Posted by krastian
Granted that I haven't done all my Obama research, but he sure as hell had me yelling, "Fuck yes! Hell yeah, man....exactly! THANK YOU, DUDE! Who is this guy?" during his speech at the last DNC.
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ha ha yes no doubt he was the star of that convention-- blew everyone else out of the water (more conspicuously, kerry and edwards themselves, ha ha ha).