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!@#$%! · 04.23.2007, 04:44 PM

rob--
the problem is that iraq was always a bit of an "artificial" country. it was 3 different provinces of the ottoman empire. it was so partitioned i believe by the british empire, which sectioned off kuwait as a "nipple" from which to draw oil.
(that's why when saddam invaded kuwait he said that "kuwait doesn't exist"-- this was not understood in its historical context by the media).
anyway, the country was held together with the iron fist of tyrannical governments. remove the tyrannical government and the country will splinter-- simple enough.
iraq cannot be held together without force. but then there are all sorts of pressures, like
a) turkey does not want a free kurdistan
b) the shias in the south have allegiance ot the iranian ayatollahs
c) the sunni minority used to be in power and the rest of the country wants revenge.

as long as there are u.s. troops in iraq they will be seen as invaders and catalyze the insurgents, i'm afraid. this is a humpty dumpty situation-- "all the king horses, & all the king's men / couldn't put humpty together again".

the point is that for the u.s. to stay there is kinda pointless. and the longer the troops stay, the greater the impulse towards insurrection.

u.n. troops maybe... they are not so politically polarizing (unless of course you're in idaho).

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ps- in my diseased mind, the best possible outcome is for a peaceful disintegration of iraq in which the kurds have their own state, the sunnis have their own little triangle, and the shias have their own state under the aegis of iran. if everyone is lucky, this would happen peacefully and without much ethnic cleansing. but we'll see...

04.23.2007, 04:44 PM	#24
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,731	rob-- the problem is that iraq was always a bit of an "artificial" country. it was 3 different provinces of the ottoman empire. it was so partitioned i believe by the british empire, which sectioned off kuwait as a "nipple" from which to draw oil. (that's why when saddam invaded kuwait he said that "kuwait doesn't exist"-- this was not understood in its historical context by the media). anyway, the country was held together with the iron fist of tyrannical governments. remove the tyrannical government and the country will splinter-- simple enough. iraq cannot be held together without force. but then there are all sorts of pressures, like a) turkey does not want a free kurdistan b) the shias in the south have allegiance ot the iranian ayatollahs c) the sunni minority used to be in power and the rest of the country wants revenge. as long as there are u.s. troops in iraq they will be seen as invaders and catalyze the insurgents, i'm afraid. this is a humpty dumpty situation-- "all the king horses, & all the king's men / couldn't put humpty together again". the point is that for the u.s. to stay there is kinda pointless. and the longer the troops stay, the greater the impulse towards insurrection. u.n. troops maybe... they are not so politically polarizing (unless of course you're in idaho). -- ps- in my diseased mind, the best possible outcome is for a peaceful disintegration of iraq in which the kurds have their own state, the sunnis have their own little triangle, and the shias have their own state under the aegis of iran. if everyone is lucky, this would happen peacefully and without much ethnic cleansing. but we'll see...
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