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Originally Posted by sellouteater
first off i didnt mean to be a bully or a bigot i was just a little excited. what i meant to say is theres a lot of holes in relgion. and religion is the reason for a lot of bad shit i.e. sept 11, holocaust, crusades in the middle ages hate crimes.
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Religion is not the cause of 'bad shit'. People are the cause of bad shit. If religious leaders and institutuions have started wars, covered up child abuse, encouraged hatred, helped the Nazis or done anything else of that nature then they have
not, under any circumstances, done it with the blessing of Jesus, nor have they done it in accordance with any of His teachings. 'Religious leaders' is not the same as 'religion'.
The teachings of Jesus do not allow for any of the things you described.
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Originally Posted by sellouteater
my other point is that there is very little legitmate truth to there being a savior and if there was why would he let all this happen to the human race.
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In the case of abuses by humans, it's because God gave us
free will. Humans abuse that free will all the time, following their own greed.
In the case of natural disasters and the like, I can't offer an explanation, because although I'm friends with God, I do not pretend to have total comprehension of Him. I will say that I don't believe it to be God punishing the unjust.
Most Christians do not take the book of Genesis literally.
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Originally Posted by sellouteater
I have a question for all the religios people if there wasn't the fear of hell and the promises of heaven would you care even half as much about god as you do now.
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Try to see it from the point of view that many Christians have; forget about faith or hope or whatever for a moment and consider that we have
personally encountered (or, if you prefer, we
believe we have personally encountered) Jesus. So His words are simply fact to us, and at the most basic level that is all there is to it. There really isn't fear, because Jesus teaches love and fellowship along with inner peace and strength, not fear.
I strive to live by Jesus' teachings because they are perfect and true. I know that to some of you very fine people that makes me a complete fruitcake, but I love you anyway.