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Originally Posted by HECKLER SPRAY

The secret of a good sermon is to have a good beginning and a good ending, then having the two as close together as possible.

ha ha ha

yeah like t=0

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ps for those discussion netwon, that's newton's philosophy not science. see, in those times, "science" was known as "natural science" and practiced as part metaphysical speculation part actual observation and experimentation. kant for example speculated about the size of the universe taking into account newton's ideas of gravity (he claimed it was infinite so the gravities would balance out).

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well i've wasted enough time on the internet already, and it was enjoyable but i must go.

have fun etc.