yeah, when they started they were, of course, "fast for the sake of fast" as you put it, that was the point; still, i can see how that, being so shallow, would be a turn off for people. still, i can see how that can be a turn on for listeners too.
i know what you mean about the whole "crossover" thing (but the act, the time and the album, i guess), i'm kinda neutral about it (actually, i'm for it mostly, when it comes to 80's hardcore and metal) since i got into this way after such things mattered.
anywhoo, they are/were mostly a fun band.
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