Originally Posted by swa(y)

i didnt say fans of hardcore cant like refused, did i? all i said is that i dont think refused are hardcore, shit, i dont think refused even consider themselves hardcore.

and chances are, if bad brains and black flag are the first bands that come to yr mind when ya think "hardcore", then obviously ya probally dont know all that much about it. we're talking about a scene where most albums released were self releases, and you name drop the two easiest to find at the mall? im not too impressed.

its not about who ya know man.

and shit..haha..i know hardcore fans that like motorhead, does that make motorhead hardcore?