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Originally Posted by fugazifan
oh btw, even if jews killed jesus, its been almost 2000 years, shouldnt we be moving past this point?
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Well the Bible is a religious text, it can't be ommitted that jewish authorities turned in jesus to Pontius Pilate and demanded his execution, and that a group of citizens of Jerusalem chose to free Barrabas instead of Christ for passover.
I think the important thing is that people understand what it means theologically. When you say "the Jews killed Jesus," well, early Christians were Jews, so they were saying "we killed Jesus" in early Christian texts. Theologically- man is inherently sinful- Christ died in eternal payment for mankind's sins. So everyone killed Christ.
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Originally Posted by fugazifan
isnt all of catholothism based on his dying for our sins. so isnt it good that he died a martyr?
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In Christianity, Yes. But Catholoicism came after Christianity started, and is a sect.
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Originally Posted by fugazifan
is it really worth it to still hold a grudge over who killed him?
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No, not at all.
I think anti-semitism stems partially from misunderstanding the bible, starting with the beginning of Roman Catholocism. Also, Jews filled jobs that Christians in the middle ages thought were wrong. Jobs involving banking for example.
Because the Jews historically were bankers in the middle ages, the notion of the "money grubbing jew came about."
This isn't restricted to Christians, atheists and pagans developed the same anti-semitic stereotypes.
Remember at the beginning of Crime and Punishment, Raskolnikov, at this point an atheist, justifies his plan to murder and rob the old woman pawnbroker on the premise that she was a Jew. When he later turns to Christianity, he begins to repent for killing her.
Hitler himself was not a Christian but an occultist.
In Christian-Muslim-Jewish relations, it's important to point out that there is no theological standing for the hatred between the religions. They all teach tolerance, love, etc. It is just the nature of human beings to form irrational hatred to eachother. When Spain was taken over by Muslims, they were incredibly tolerant of Christians and Jews. They were taxed a little bit more, but weren't persecuted, being considered people of the book.
The strained relations don't have to do so much with core theological issues as much as hatreds that have developed over the last 1000 years dating back to the crusades- which had more economic and political motives than religious.
political leaders wanted access to chinese goods so they said "let's take back the holy land"
Sort of like how political leaders wanted to invade iraq and get rich off of oil so they said "look at what Saddam's doing to the kurds, oh, and now they've got WMD's"
It's an easy way to trick the masses.