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Originally Posted by sarramkrop
Talent?
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Talent suggests Phish/ Grateful Dead/ Zappa. All exceptionally talented musicians. All unmitigated turd. Throw fucking Patton in there for good measure.
I think a fairly singular and inescapable presence (how vague?) is good for 'experimental' types; as we all know, there's as many, if not more, ten-a-penny 'experimental' bands. There's also the thing of not particularly caring about describing yourself as 'experimental' - like that idiot-savant-retard principle that follows the likes of Jandek. At this point, you can't imagine Jandek ever doing anything other than do Jandek. Haino has a similar thing - it's not 'experimental' in the sense of being opposed to the conventional - it's the nearest term to describe someone who doesn't quite fit in the world.
As ever, I'll return to the notion of context within genre - Sonic Youth or Branca aren't 'experimental' in the general sense of music in total, but they are within the 'rock' context, to which they both inescapably belong.
Noise, at this point, has fluid but distinct qualias and semiotics. They're often as vague and ineffable in the same way Pantera or Maiden 'rock' while someone else (name at random) merely sucks or is lame. I'm of the opinion that the semiotics introduced to musique concrete or the 1950s 'New school' (Cage, Feldman et all) are generally adequate to describe noise, less volume or density.
Ah, more overblown, but correct, rhetoric. Happy days.