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Originally Posted by fugazifan

the situation in gaza is a very difficult one at the moment. the people in sderot have been mercileesly bombed for the past year. the people there cant live a normal life and now it has started to reach ashkelon. i am usually against fighting, but at some point a country must defend itself. especially after it evacuated all of its people from a certain area and in exchangew they continue to bomb. i am not for the seetelers, in fact the4 excact oppisit. and i do agree that we could be handling this better, but one feels at times that we have tp do something.
and it still is not a terrorist state.alestine is a terrorist state, israel is a military state

couldn't the modern and supposedly efficient Israeli military strike its targets more accurately instead of hitting so many civilians? the civilians in gaza are not launching rockets into Israel, militants are, and the israelis should either target militants, or chill back, I am sorry, just because shit is fucked up for people getting rocketed in israel, does not give the israeli military to right and authority to to tit-for-tat bomb palestinian civilians. just because israeli grandmothers are crying over their dead, does not mean that israelis need to make palestinian grandmothers mourn that much harder.....

Originally Posted by everyneurotic

dear mr pothead,

i won't debate whether is right or wrong what this thread is about, i'll just say that next time you come all self righteous about antiracism and talking about tolerance, remember you started this biggoted racist thread.

ps: general discussion: the israeli government has been a crop of shit for some ten years now, it's stupid.

biggoted thread? in which regard, calling out names? every single israeli citizen is required to serve in some regard to the military. In this regard, all israelis, either by choice or force, support the Israeli military actions in Palestine, other wise there would be the kind of mutiny that plagues corrupt militaries across the globe, but you don't see such mutiny in the ranks, so I-man's assumption is that the Israeli population generally supports the military activities of their fellow countrymen, that being said, please identity my bigotry against israel here?

further, am I wrong to call out names on the Israeli military for deliberately targeting palestinian civilians when their enemies are clearly active militants? are you telling me that a modern military super power can't get its targets straigth? terrorism, by the definition of the word, is targeting civilians with military strikes in order to inflict general terror and chaos and force your actual enemy into submission be denying public support. that my friend is cruel and vindictive, and it is standard israeli policy. In this regard, the Israelis are thus terrorists.

So I dont have the right to criticize the military policies of Israel simply because Israel is an ethnically defined state? I am not criticising the Jews as a race in citing the failures of its military. So please, you misunderstand me. I hate zionism, not jews. I hate the military policies of Israel, not the Israelis. and I use the term hate correctly, I despise it with all of my being, and fear its consequences to my very core. This is simply my testimony, and the reality is that the divisiveness of zionism in the world wrecks the cooperation and unity that we have been working on for the past 6000 years, it is simply a backwards political philosophy from the stoneage, and it is terrifying to see it manifest itself continuously through the 21st century.

Originally Posted by racehorse

don't see it.
anti-Zionist is basically anti-colonianism, the feeling that it was wrong for the people of Israel to take out their angerand frustratation at being oppressed in europe for centuries upon a group of people who had no part whatsoever in european anti-semitism.

I think that everyone has forgotten that the arabs are semites too.

Originally Posted by moshe

Mosheyou should stop reading science fiction and start reading history books.

here are some facts:

There was never a Palestinian state!

Israel is the historic land of the Jews not of the arabs. The Jews pray 3 times a day to return to Jerusalem with their face toward the city. The Koran doesn't mention Jerusalem and the Muslims pray with their back to Jerusalem and faces to Mecca.

There was a Jewish community in Israel long before the Arbs occupied it.

The Zionist movement bought 10% of the land from Arabs and agreed to UN plans for a jewish state beside an arbs state. The Arabs refused.

Israel never "frighten millions of people out of their villages and while they were gone, burn the villages to the ground and throw civilians into the sea".
That is a complete BS.

The Arabs started a war on Israel and during that war more Jews had to leave their homes in Arabs countries than Arabs had to leave theirs.

so how come "anti-Zionist is basically anti-colonianism"?

this is promoting religious zionism! so you are saying that there were no palestinians in israel before the state of israel was created in 1948? So Muslims hold no regard to Jerusalem in their prayers? bullshit! thats like saying christians don't pray for jerusalem. jews don't hold a monopoly on the holy city of Jerusalem, it is holy to dozens of religious groups and institutions. further, what justification does Israel have for its negative military reactions against Palestinians, honestly now? what would G-D think of all this? While it is true that it is back and forth between Palestinian militants and the Israeli military, somebody is going to eventually have to be the bigger man and back down, either that or every single arab and jewish man woman and child is just going to have to mutually slaughter each other in hatred? [I exaggerate to point out that war goes in no direction positive, it only leads to death and human suffering, regardless of what palestinian rockets do to Israel, it does not give them the vindication to return the same barbarous savagery to the palestinian civilians, who openly are the underdogs here. it is a first world power against a third world people, and it is getting absolutely ridiculous.]