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Old 03.01.2008, 07:55 PM   #52
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Originally Posted by Moshe
you should stop reading science fiction and start reading history books.

here are some facts:

There was never a Palestinian state!

Israel is the historic land of the Jews not of the arabs. The Jews pray 3 times a day to return to Jerusalem with their face toward the city. The Koran doesn't mention Jerusalem and the Muslims pray with their back to Jerusalem and faces to Mecca.

There was a Jewish community in Israel long before the Arbs occupied it.

The Zionist movement bought 10% of the land from Arabs and agreed to UN plans for a jewish state beside an arbs state. The Arabs refused.

Israel never "frighten millions of people out of their villages and while they were gone, burn the villages to the ground and throw civilians into the sea".
That is a complete BS.

The Arabs started a war on Israel and during that war more Jews had to leave their homes in Arabs countries than Arabs had to leave theirs.

so how come "anti-Zionist is basically anti-colonianism"?


science fiction? i'm sorry but how about "the ethnic cleansing of palestine" by Ilan Pappe, an israeli historian who currently holds the chair of HISTORY at exeter university? how about chomsky's "middle east illusions" - noam chomsky who was recently voted the world's top public intellectual by prospect magazine? or how about meron benvenisti, shlomo ben ami, julie peteet and mark tessler? These are not science fiction authors, far from it - they are reputed scholars, politicians and diplomats. They will all reinforce the fact that in 1948, around one million people were expelled from their homes at gunpoint, civilians were massacred and hundreds of Palestinian villages destroyed. if it had happened today it could only have been called "ethnic cleansing". here is a quote from "Plan Dalat", finalised and initiated by the israeli goverment in 1948 :

"These operations can be carried out in the following manner: either by destroying villages (by setting fire to them, by blowing them up, and by planting mines in their debris) and especially of those population centers which are difficult to control continuously; or by mounting combing and control operations according to the following guidelines: encirclement of the villages, conducting a search inside them. In case of resistance, the armed forces must be wiped out and the population expelled outside the borders of the state."

It is now irrelevant whose religion shows a greater dedication to Jerusalem. We must analyse states by their actions and actions only. the Israeli state demolished the history and homes of one million people in 1948, a people who had been living there for 7 centuries. to ignore this is to ignore a grave , criminal, and unforgiveable injustice.

it is also relevant that you mention hospitals.
roads built over the demolished palestinian villages are for israeli-only use, meaning that ambulances meant to carry Palestinians say, from Ramallah to Jerusalem are forced to take massive diversions, increasing journey times by up to an hour. These are roads which were built over demolished Palestinian villages and are now out of bounds to the palestinians themselves.
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