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I've never really liked them either. But I think I'll have to change my mind, at least regarding them as a live band.
It took until the 4th time of seeing them live that I found them good (great even). Then the 5th time was 2 days later in a collaboration with Keiji Haino and that was the most awesome thing I've seen in 2008 so far. I haven't heard the new one, but if they're touring this record then I'm definitely going.
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