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Old 07.08.2008, 06:43 PM   #35
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Originally Posted by HECKLER SPRAY
Yeah, Agreed.
I know it's impossible, but I'd like my economy to give all the people a decent life, a higher standard than now, and I'd like other countries to have pretty much the same standard. And no dictatorship. Etc... But I know we're living in a wonderful capitalist world ( you can call it "global economy", it's just a more acceptable word for capitalism).
And our business model is probably dead, but don't worry, our government takes measures to fix the problem, our system is going to be more and more like the anglo-saxon system. Like European Union wants France to be. I'm very happy. No more social protection. That's so modern !!!





I hate to talk about politic, it's too frustrating.

well, think of this-- marx said that for communism to arrive, capitalism had to triumph first.

one of the reasons the previous incarnations of marxism failed (among many others) is that these were ideological impositions on rural societies (russia, china, cuba) rather than the natural evolution of capitalism... assuming marx wasn't wrong, which of course he was, and in many ways, but that's another story.

but still, we can preserve this kernel of truth-- once capitalism has spread around the globe, there is no possible "undeveloped country" where the factories can be moved. and you have the possibility of transnational unions---just like transnational corporations.

for example, my dad used to work for volvo, and the swedish company had a strong union, so the local union was strong too, as it was supported by the swedish one. later volvo was bought up by an american company and all was fucked i suppose-- haven't followed lately.

but anyway-- right now, if you are a worker who bitches too much, the owners say "well fuckit, we're moving to china (or singapore or bangladesh)"

but once the chinese or singa-something, or bangladeshis, are making good salaries, have a decent standard of living, etc. etc., they will want social protections too. they will want clean air and clean water and long vacations.

so there is hope-- however, in the short run, you have to adapt or get assraped by the system-- it's kind of a survival thing.

i'm not for working your ass off with no possibility of enjoyment-- but i'm 100% for survival and keeping an eye on the road ahead before i get smashed-- oh yeah. and for this, you gotta do what you gotta do. just saying.
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