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Originally Posted by notyourfiend

oon the supply side, people living in third world conditions have been raped by capitalism. women are desperate to leave their situations and easily lured into being trafficked, families in dire poverty will sell daughters (because they can't support their children and they are worth less than men), poor men pimp out women to make enough money to live (after all, pimping is the only profession older than prostituion)

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Originally Posted by notyourfiend

oon the supply side, people living in third world conditions have been raped by capitalism

i like you, so i enjoy discussing shit with you, cuz that's the most fun thing to do among friends with coffee and cigarettes, so let me start here saying that to blame rape culture on capitalism is a case of historical myopia first and anthropocentrism second.

long before people were "rapedy by capitalism" they were raped by disease, famine, pestilence, volcanos, barbarians, beasts of prey, oceans and rivers and storms and falling rocks, and of course, neighbors and relatives.

selling and buying people is at least as old as the bronze age, which predates capitalism by some 3 or 4 milennia. now here is where people cry "blame the patriarchal sky gods for this shit", and i tend to agree, but the myth of the golden age of enlightened matriarchy remains a myth so far. we have no proof that people were "liberated" before the historical record. if anything, we ate our neanderthal "cousins".

then there is the danger of overstretching metaphors. as much as i love to use fuck metaphors for pretty much everything in life because they are essentially true, to equate rape with the ravages of nature (of which capitalism is a part, because culture is a part of nature) is a bit like saying "everything is everything". no i say, one can be life's fuckee and not turn into a fucker, and how that happens is a mystery to me, and i think that culture actually has a way to temper our natural beastliness rather than promote it-- some cultures temper it better than others of course, and american misogyny is no worse than say iranian misogyny.

the real "evil" lies not in culture but in our genome-- we are bred a vile, violent species which will take a lot of moral shortcuts to survive-- it's a fact of nature and evolution. call me hobbesian if you want but i do not subscribe to rousseau's delusional credo that we are all born good and society corrupts us. no-- we are all born mean greedy jealous little fuckers with strong hierarchical tendencies and a vast array of coping & survival mechanisms, and we've managed to build a nice-looking veneer for all that mess, which we call culture, and allows us not to murder each other at such a fast rate.

anyhuevos, if you doubt that female-ruled societies can be any less vicious than male-dominated capitalism, check out meerkat manor or read up on the latest bonobo research-- turns out the hippies of the ape family aren't so nice after all-- violence, mutilation, opression, etc. and don't get me started on matriarchal meerkats-- they are quite nasty.

and here's the kicker: non-capitalist dolphins rape too.

now don't get me wrong, i'm not saying "it's in our genes", i'm saying, let's give up on anthropological delusions and get to the meat of things-- we're nasty by nature.

Originally Posted by notyourfiend

...on the demand side, we are taught that we can and should be able to get what we want when we want it, including sexually. men want prostitutes/sex workers at a cheep price.

yeah, that's the last scene of "demonlover" right there.