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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
yeah, but studying the craft or technical skill has its place, i mean what would necrophagist be like if that guy and hadn't studied the guitar like an absolute bastard? Likewise Sun Ra studied music theory and technique extensively for years before he started performing his own stuff.
anyway, i don't agree with not being able to learn how to be an artist (or a better artist), there have been moments where somebody has said something and a light goes on in my head (for want of a better term), although these moments tend to be random and unpredictable, and likewise with technical practice, if you study the craft you will be better equipped to execute whatever ideas you have, whether you choose to use that skill or not is up to the individual, and generally speaking you will learn certain things more quickly in some environments than others (e.g. school vs home), although that works both ways.
there are things that can only be achieved through dogged technical practice, and it can lead to some pretty weird places, eg. after i had been studying drawing for sometime i would have sessions when i could see the air move, or at least that was what it looked like, my visual awareness seemed to reach a heightened level on good days, and this wouldn't have happened with out practicing drawing a lot, because practicing drawing is really learning how to look at things.
moments like those that are achieved through the craft/technical side can really feed into the imaginative side and allow your ideas to develop in ways you would never imagine without learning some technique concurrently.
sorry, i'm rambling, i should have gone to bed a couple of hours ago already.
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I just think that most of the art I find interesting is from people who are self-taught. If you go far enough back, all the original artists weren't taught, either, of course.. I like the idea of people trying to do new things. Obviously, having some respect for old traditions is fine, but I think you're either an artist or you're not. I don't think that's something that can be "taught", conventionally, and while going to school to further what you're interested in is fine, I think the true greats are usually just born that way, with a natural inclination and with common sense. I think I just have naturally tried to avoid "learning" anything, because.. well.. I don't want to. But that's me. Whatever works for people, again..
Still, you raise some interesting points, so feel free to keep rambling.