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Originally Posted by infinitemusic

Well, I think that "Anti-Orgasm" has some politics in it. Also, sure most bands might be "against" fascism, but they don't write songs about it. And do you even remember the lyrics to that song, because it talks about a lot of political issues that were going on at the time.. almost like it was an effort to get their fans to look it up and see what was going on in the political world at the time.

Ok, fair point. The point I was making about 'youth against fascism' is more that, although there are 'real-world' politics in that song, the very notion of being against fascism is latent in pretty much everything except for fascist bands; even people like Skrewdriver sometimes deny being fascist. I was more using the concept of being 'against fascism' as a hook, rather than that song in particular 'proving' whatever sprurious point I was making a whole 2 days ago.

And of course you would post a link to Miley Cyrus. How is that any different or better from any punk band that you hate, beside the fact that it's a shitty pop song with terrible singing and lyrics that are even worse than anything by the millions of Black Flag wannabes that churn out similar garbage?

The difference is that I like it; the difference is that Miley Cyrus speaks to literally 10s of millions of children across the world, while Black Flag significantly fewer. I wouldn't ever make a political beacon out of Cyrus, nor is there any point my defending my liking of her (I like her, you don't, that's life etc) but I was using an allusion to empirical statistics to illustrate her influence. I don't honestly believe that she's going to bring about global revolution, but she's paradigmatic of a certain trend in mainstream culture. I still hate punk, but that's neither here nor there.

Well that depends on whether they get those kids- who are the only ones who can change anything, since the privileged are the only ones who can really affect change- to do anything about it or change their ways.

No. Absolutely not. There is absolutely no way you're pulling that petty bourgeouis shit on me. The 'working class' are by no means lumpen proles, party but powerless to the changes made by the ruling overlords. The change comes about (if it comes about, when it comes about, if a change is needed) as a result of everyone, not just the priveleged classes.

And notyourfriend is right, almost all punk was middle class.

I don't think that's true. Not in Britain at least. But there's a huge difference between bands that did make it and bands that didn't (the latter of which there are legions more). Punk is by no means a 'working class' thing, but when it works it works because it seeks to break down the class barriers - everyone comes along for a good time, regardless of who they are. I'd argue that the more ostensibly a-political rave scene does this better, but that's neither here nor there.

I've never listened to Fugazi and don't plan to.

Good on you.