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Originally Posted by knox
poor citizens without guns, can't easily kill their cheating wives, commit suicide or have their children accidentaly paraplegic.
even tho the chances that a criminal will kill you if he realises you have a gun are 87,9999% more than if you don't.
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thank you. I wish more americans could see this shit right in front of their faces.. humans are far to impulsive to own and have access to such dangerous weapons.
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Originally Posted by exploding plastic candle
Long story short: After the Civil War ended in 1865 white men needed a new way to oppress the freed black population of the South. The NRA was founded in 1871. Like so many other things that are "fundamentally American," gun ownership is also fundamentally racist.
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amen!
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Originally Posted by SONIC GAIL
Coming from a gun toting community I would like to interject my opinion on the matter. I believe that Americans have the right to have a gun for protection per our constitution.
Wheather guns are legal or not criminals will have them on the streets illegaly. I do not want my right of protection taken away from me.
As stated before Guns don't kill people people kill people. 911 did'nt they take over the planes with box cutters or something?
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guns end up on the street after they are stolen from legal gun owners, train/ship yards, the back of trucks, and of course gun dealers report (this is what they report, who can imagine what they don't mention) 30,000 missing firearms a year in the US.
In california it is simple. We stopped selling so many fucking guns, and they disappeared of the street. Ten years ago three of my friends were all shot, I was shot at in front of my fucking grandma's house. You could get a gun on the street for 200 bucks.. They sold 9mm handguns at Walmart and there were several gunshops. The street guns were stolen by the PALLET from the shipping and train yards at the LA Harbor. They were plentiful to say the least.
Now there are no gun shops, it is extremely difficult to purchase them, you even need ID and waiting period to buy ammunition, and newsflash, gun violence is down record numbers, and I haven't heard of anywhere near the amount of shootings which I used to see first hand.
in other words, as counter-intuitive as it sounds, California has proven that gun control works. I won't even argue with y'all, I am just giving you my testimony regarding guns on the street of Los Angeles, something I know about from personal experience.
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Originally Posted by ni'k
how can anyone equate the right to bear arms with the right to free speech? surely having a gun pointed at you kind of cancels out the free speech thing.
if they would use them to overthrow their government instead of clinging to private property then it would be worthwhile.
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exactly. Guns are ridiculous in america, they are used to kill people
for the government, and much worse, for absolutely
nothing at all.
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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
criminals have a million ways to get guns, most of them illegal. law abiding citizens, which are the vast majority, should not have their guns taken away by blind ignorance.
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no rob, criminals steal guns from law abiding sources. I know we disagree on this, but I believe California has already demonstrated a point made above
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Originally Posted by dale_gribble
clearly i was being extreme, however there is really no way from preventing criminals from getting guns unless you remove guns from our society completely somehow.
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It is not as extreme as it sounds. Everywhere else but America people are ready to give up guns, and feel threatened by a mass armed society. In Cali we got rid of all the guns, all the gun shops, all the gun dealers, all the gun shows, and all the guns coming through the harbor by the container load, and like magic there were thousands of less shootings. The criminals did not run a muck, in fact its quite the opposite, the criminals are FAR LESS armed then they were before.
Saying that making guns illegal will only benefit criminals is the same drug prohibition argument, that legalizing drugs will make more heroin addicts. Netherlands already proved that is a fallacy, just as California has already proven it a fallacious argument that gun control benefits criminals and that criminals will have more guns than society if you restrict access.