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Originally Posted by ni'k
ok then, since you don't believe it, you won't mind me imagining what we'll all say about you in my impossible imaginary fantasy land that will never ever happen:
thank god those guys were so old, and died off sooner rather than later. oh how we miss their smug "realism"! isn't it such a waste of time to look back at the "dark days" between may 68 and whenever and say "why didn't those pathetic fucks even try? did they get stockholm syndrome so badly they enjoyed beating themselves up and keeping themselves down with the cop in thier heads?" oh well, fuck it, let's not waste time writing any books on it like they would have enjoyed doing. let's go use their corpses for compost and their bones for drum sticks. hey, later, why not go burn all the precious material remnants of their lives just to make sure they really were for nothing!
but i know you're citizens of the real world were capitalism isn't on the brink of collapse and will continue for ever without collapse and everythings fine in greece its just a few bad eggs like the bbc says its just their "independent greek spirit" and some "discontent" because the IMF hasn't given them enough money yet. and who would want it to stop anyway except some sort of nutter not living in the real world were we've had so many glorious years of it already that were so great for the planet and the species and it has to stretch on forever right?
and you can misidentify the material conditions of capitalist reality now for the real world, but its so obviously collapsing that that mightn't be a great idea. all i can say is thank fuck the real world is rumbling on without me. i must be in some spectral netherverse or something right now, what an amazing simulation, it seems so real!
now i remember why i came back here, it was to get sucked down into energy sapping "discussions" with smug cynical arseholes only interested in carving out their own solpsistic niche of ignorance wherein they rule supreme and can decide when to switch to simple name calling or try to show off how much they know but always simply to make sure in the end they leave having affirmed they are the king of message board and lord of their own ignorance.
but no, i'm sorry, there's no way you guys are like that. i was just being insulting, please ignore it.
tell again how the real world is one where capitalism isn't in its final days and not be a self defeating asshole who enjoys the smuggery of the knowledge nothing new will ever happen because i'm not prepared to even entertain the idea that it could. or don't actually, because as i said i could find better ways to spend my time than the aforementioned getting sucked down into energy sapping arguments with you two.
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I'm not saying capitalism won't end, the cracks are there for all to see. I just don't think there will be any kind of end in sight until everyone in the West bar the ruling class is struggling to eat, that is the point at which people will become desperate enough to actually do something, and that just does not seem to be foreseeable at the moment.
Lest we forget, Marx & Engels were eagerly anticipating the imminent downfall of capitalism in the mid 19th Century.