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ni'k · 06.03.2010, 09:28 AM

i didn't see that you told knox that. it needs to be everyone tho, not just you. you are the only one so far who has eventually shown any willingness to help us out on this which is appreciated.

i disagree with a few of the things you said. i don't think it's about extrapolating anything, because that would suggest it's our fault for extrapolating it the wrong way. it's clearly there. some people don't find it to be funny, no matter how ironic or farcical the poster covers themselves by claiming to be. you can be mysogynistic ironically, because what? you're aware that its offensive and you shouldn't but you still do anyway? and it's not a matter of just telling someone to lighten up.

i don't buy the farce argument either, it doesn't apply most of the time. that's just saying "oh i said it but i don't mean it." then just don't say it. everyone knows what kind of game you're playing with that. you're saying "oh i know this is supposed to offend you but you can't get annoyed because i don't mean it, so i'm going to say it anyway in a non serious context so you have to let me get away with it and not get mad, cos i'm trying to irritate you". that's just boring.

it's really not an issue of someone extrapolating "oh he hates women" based on the pictures that are posted. the point is we do not want to see those pictures ourselves, if they were kept in just the one thread we wouldn't have to look and it would be fine. in the same way that you guys would (presumably) get nauseated if someone started posting hardcore gay porn all over the place, or post it now just to prove me wrong. so all that has been asked is that all those gross/porn pictures be kept in the one thread, which i think is pretty reasonable. but the moment you try to be genuine here it's mandatory that someone kicks in with irreverance and does the opposite of what you've said, even if you already know they will. presumably for the sake of how predictable that is, and to prove how individual they are. which is even more boring.

so i think i can assume to speak on behalf for at least 4 other people who have already stated this and probably a lot more who haven't by saying:
it would be really nice and prove that you guys are willing to be courteous to the rest of us if you could just keep all the gross/porn in the one thread. as it's really nauseating for some of us to have to see it everywhere.

06.03.2010, 09:28 AM	#283
ni'k invito al cielo Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,360	i didn't see that you told knox that. it needs to be everyone tho, not just you. you are the only one so far who has eventually shown any willingness to help us out on this which is appreciated. i disagree with a few of the things you said. i don't think it's about extrapolating anything, because that would suggest it's our fault for extrapolating it the wrong way. it's clearly there. some people don't find it to be funny, no matter how ironic or farcical the poster covers themselves by claiming to be. you can be mysogynistic ironically, because what? you're aware that its offensive and you shouldn't but you still do anyway? and it's not a matter of just telling someone to lighten up. i don't buy the farce argument either, it doesn't apply most of the time. that's just saying "oh i said it but i don't mean it." then just don't say it. everyone knows what kind of game you're playing with that. you're saying "oh i know this is supposed to offend you but you can't get annoyed because i don't mean it, so i'm going to say it anyway in a non serious context so you have to let me get away with it and not get mad, cos i'm trying to irritate you". that's just boring. it's really not an issue of someone extrapolating "oh he hates women" based on the pictures that are posted. the point is we do not want to see those pictures ourselves, if they were kept in just the one thread we wouldn't have to look and it would be fine. in the same way that you guys would (presumably) get nauseated if someone started posting hardcore gay porn all over the place, or post it now just to prove me wrong. so all that has been asked is that all those gross/porn pictures be kept in the one thread, which i think is pretty reasonable. but the moment you try to be genuine here it's mandatory that someone kicks in with irreverance and does the opposite of what you've said, even if you already know they will. presumably for the sake of how predictable that is, and to prove how individual they are. which is even more boring. so i think i can assume to speak on behalf for at least 4 other people who have already stated this and probably a lot more who haven't by saying: it would be really nice and prove that you guys are willing to be courteous to the rest of us if you could just keep all the gross/porn in the one thread. as it's really nauseating for some of us to have to see it everywhere.
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