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Originally Posted by knox

I'm upset mr. #6%4*6 just completely ignored my post.

i didnt, i answered in a hurry and without quoting you because 1) i was tired from answering too many posts and 2) the phone rang, and it was important

however, since some kind of chainsaw outside the window woke me up early, i'll take this time to answer you in extra detail, quotes & all

Originally Posted by knox

You guys are twisting my whole point. I never said anything about pornography and those images are not pornography (not even legally speaking).

who is "you guys" and what is your point and if pornography is not the problem then what is it? please clarify.

Originally Posted by knox

You said I am not an object because I didn't present myself to you as such. But is it ok if I am to anyone else who hasn't talked to me?

you're not an object, you're words on a screen :P

sorry, smartass answer, albeit true on a level; but i feel you're either trying to put words in my mouth or looking for badness under the carpet. however, if it's a genuine question i already gave you a genuine answer: no, people are people, but objects (pictures) are objects. pictures are not people. if i paint a moustache on a picture of george bush and stab his eyes, he does not magically grow a moustache and lose his eyesight.

Originally Posted by knox

Just because we're good people and we treat the people we know nicely, does it mean that we do not spread any nasty moral cultural viruses that we should probably analyse better? By excusing ourselves because we're "good people", isn't that how we spread discrimination, classism, racism, sexism, xenophobia and all horrors?

what is the "nasty cultural virus" that we're spreading here in spite of being good people? [edit: ok, i see below now, no worries]

Originally Posted by knox

You never mentioned anything about choice. You said something about those women having a choice, but not the women who are surrounded by these images everywhere.

i said this 2 pages back:

yeah i don't find beating up women funny at all and that gif sucks.

however, i do like the freewheeling nature of this place. and if that means i have to avert my eyes when i see some unpleasant shit (there is plenty), i'll avert my eyes and move on to what interests me. it's a conscious choice.

i could go frequent censored and managed boards but those usually suck. the price of freedom is having to put up with shit we dislike in others-- like the presence of keep it simpleton, for example-- that shouldn't keep us from expressing our opinion on it though, so calling someone on their unpleasant shit is totally fair game, and so on & so forth.

Originally Posted by knox

It seems that it makes Nik's point more obvious, that no one is interested in what we're saying (a few people have respectfully requested that the boy's club should be kept in one thread) but no one did anything other than justify why they don't give a shit about how others feel.

i have already answered/addressed that. i said that there is plenty here that displeases or revolts me, personally, but i either 1) avoid it and move on, or 2)if it pisses me off enough give the culprits shit for it. and i've encouraged you to give people shit for what you find offending.

i am angry that you ignored my response. no, not really, but come on, i already answered that, if you don't like my reply it's one thing but don't say ive ignored you.

Originally Posted by knox

This spreading social stereotypes, leaving gay men and women to get the worst end of the shit and straight boy to live in this constant anxiety of what is it that a man is supposed to be.

[edit: ok, this is the nasty cultural virus you're talking about, i assume]

yes i agree with you that those stereotypes and expectations are annoying and deleterious, but if you know who you are you don't have to be a pushover and let them affect you, and if you think you need to do battle against them-- battle!

Originally Posted by knox

All this bullshit discussion is something I would expect from any bullshit workspace filled with mediocre people. I guess I'm too naive to think Sonic Youth fans would be different.

i used to take the internet seriously too, particularly this board, but then i learned that you cannot control the internet and it's always going to veer towards the lowest common denominator [edit: which is why i warned you about the "entities"-- i know this place].

atari used to pick fights with people he didn't find worthy of his intellect and artistic vision, eventually he picked fights with everyone here. me, i realized this is never going to be mount parnassus and that there will always be a measure of shit going on, so i lowered my expectations and learned to love the bomb. sorry, obscure dr. strangelove joke. i mean i learned to love the chaos. trying to turn this place, particularly the "lower board" (aka non-sonics aka the sewer) into some sort of intellectual heaven is a futile enterprise. however, you're free to try.

Originally Posted by knox

I don't know why. I had this boyfriend once who was a Sonic Youth fan. I once told him as a teenager I would listen to Kim Gordon's songs and go like yeah yeah I relate to this message and then he said I listened to her songs too, just so I could jerk off to her voice.

I should have known back then.

everybody has something different in their spank bank. you don't have one? or are you too uncomfortable to say? are you against masturbation, or were you just jealous?