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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

i didnt, i answered in a hurry and without quoting you because 1) i was tired from answering too many posts and 2) the phone rang, and it was important

however, since some kind of chainsaw outside the window woke me up early, i'll take this time to answer you in extra detail, quotes & all



who is "you guys" and what is your point and if pornography is not the problem then what is it? please clarify.



you're not an object, you're words on a screen :P

sorry, smartass answer, albeit true on a level; but i feel you're either trying to put words in my mouth or looking for badness under the carpet. however, if it's a genuine question i already gave you a genuine answer: no, people are people, but objects (pictures) are objects. pictures are not people. if i paint a moustache on a picture of george bush and stab his eyes, he does not magically grow a moustache and lose his eyesight.



what is the "nasty cultural virus" that we're spreading here in spite of being good people? [edit: ok, i see below now, no worries]



i said this 2 pages back:

yeah i don't find beating up women funny at all and that gif sucks.

however, i do like the freewheeling nature of this place. and if that means i have to avert my eyes when i see some unpleasant shit (there is plenty), i'll avert my eyes and move on to what interests me. it's a conscious choice.

i could go frequent censored and managed boards but those usually suck. the price of freedom is having to put up with shit we dislike in others-- like the presence of keep it simpleton, for example-- that shouldn't keep us from expressing our opinion on it though, so calling someone on their unpleasant shit is totally fair game, and so on & so forth.



i have already answered/addressed that. i said that there is plenty here that displeases or revolts me, personally, but i either 1) avoid it and move on, or 2)if it pisses me off enough give the culprits shit for it. and i've encouraged you to give people shit for what you find offending.

i am angry that you ignored my response. no, not really, but come on, i already answered that, if you don't like my reply it's one thing but don't say ive ignored you.



[edit: ok, this is the nasty cultural virus you're talking about, i assume]

yes i agree with you that those stereotypes and expectations are annoying and deleterious, but if you know who you are you don't have to be a pushover and let them affect you, and if you think you need to do battle against them-- battle!



i used to take the internet seriously too, particularly this board, but then i learned that you cannot control the internet and it's always going to veer towards the lowest common denominator [edit: which is why i warned you about the "entities"-- i know this place].

atari used to pick fights with people he didn't find worthy of his intellect and artistic vision, eventually he picked fights with everyone here. me, i realized this is never going to be mount parnassus and that there will always be a measure of shit going on, so i lowered my expectations and learned to love the bomb. sorry, obscure dr. strangelove joke. i mean i learned to love the chaos. trying to turn this place, particularly the "lower board" (aka non-sonics aka the sewer) into some sort of intellectual heaven is a futile enterprise. however, you're free to try.



everybody has something different in their spank bank. you don't have one? or are you too uncomfortable to say? are you against masturbation, or were you just jealous?

You do know you are twisting my whole point. You know it. And I'll just imagine it is because you're too uncomfortable with the whole debate. The last paragraph is so far from anything I've said (and I know you know it) that I refuse to even comment. It's a cheap attack/speculation (that you'll claim to be a joke) that I better just ignore it.

But I still understand it, in a way. If we are to fully understand every implication of our actions we might just crumble. If you were to understand the overall consequence of the actions you engage in (because everyone does it) you wouldn't handle it. So we try and protect ourselves by not SEEING it.

Kim gordon's songs are not usually my favorite. On the other hand, I've always liked the lyrics and how it'll mention all these questions about the objetification of women, gender roles and whatnot in a way that's intelligent and far from cliche. It is always amazing to me how people can filter the messages they don't wanna hear (like you've been doing to my posts), and just simply focus on the part they can deal with. I'm surprised to find out how that can go unheard tho.

You also know I wasn't talking about pornography (as much as I know males are taught to simplify everything). I was inviting you to think about how we are surrounded by images of objectification of women everywhere, without a choice. To say a photo is not a person is just simplifying too much in order to justify everything. One photo is the representation of a person, the representation of a woman, and a thousand photos everywhere are the representation of how society views women in general. Otherwise such images would be rare, instead of the norm.

There's nothing I can say that'll get you to fully understand what's like to grow up surrounded by these ideas/comments/images/behaviour with the underlying nightmare that that's all they want you to be, you'll always be judged/measured/treated according to them (or whatever men are taught by them that women are like). You'll either fall in the category or not. And if you don't, there'l be consequences to pay. It doesn't matter what you do or who you are, this will be assessed first. This is what the world thinks it's your self worth. The rest is an accessory. You'll become a prisioner of your own body and you can't eat, speak or age without fear. But you will argue is NOT like that. Because you know what's like to be a woman, right? Everyone does. They do because they tell us what's it like to be us.

You'll say you're not responsible for that, but you are. We all are.

If people are free to post what they want, we're also free to voice our opinions. I never said I am not capable of ignoring whatever I don't like, I just said I was dissapointed to see this forum's main activity be just as banal as celebrity gossip website.

And then other people respectfully requested the images to be kept in certain threads. It bothers them and they're just as entitled to use this forum as anyone else. Women are being driven away and don't wanna post anymore (I've been told by a few).

Of course you don't have to accept these requests. But the lack of willingness to do so or even care about what these people feel shows something more disturbing than any image anyone could post could ever be.