beefheart vs zappa - Page 6

khchris(original) · 07.12.2006, 02:49 PM

you can reply to me anytime. no need to apologize.

Savage Clone · 07.12.2006, 02:55 PM

OK, so I didn't really need to go all smartass.
I did appreciate the use of normal-sized type.
I have actually heard virtually all of Zappa's stuff in huge doses, and Beefheart's stuff is not even close to similar.
I was talking more in terms of music fans. Of course to the general population Zappa is a more high-profile figure, not being a reclusive artist who retired from music in midlife like Van Vliet, and having appeared before congress on more than one occasion. To music fans, however, I would say that Beefheart has gotten his fair share of magazine covers, career retrospective articles, deluxe reissues and the like to be deemed "no longer all that obscure." The Velvets didn't sell for shit at the time either, but I don't know anyone who considers them to be an obscure band, despite the fact that senator Coleman wouldn't know Moe Tucker if she punched him in the face (which would be pretty sweet, and I would pay good money for a photo of).
That's all I was saying.

khchris(original) · 07.12.2006, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Savage Clone

OK, so I didn't really need to go all smartass.
I did appreciate the use of normal-sized type.
I have actually heard virtually all of Zappa's stuff in huge doses, and Beefheart's stuff is not even close to similar.
I was talking more in terms of music fans. Of course to the general population Zappa is a more high-profile figure, not being a reclusive artist who retired from music in midlife like Van Vliet, and having appeared before congress on more than one occasion. To music fans, however, I would say that Beefheart has gotten his fair share of magazine covers, career retrospective articles, deluxe reissues and the like to be deemed "no longer all that obscure." The Velvets didn't sell for shit at the time either, but I don't know anyone who considers them to be an obscure band, despite the fact that senator Coleman wouldn't know Moe Tucker if she punched him in the face (which would be pretty sweet, and I would pay good money for a photo of).
That's all I was saying.

what does moe tucker have to do with the velvets?

Savage Clone · 07.12.2006, 03:06 PM

Besides being their drummer most of the time, not much, I guess. Especially not now.

khchris(original) · 07.12.2006, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Savage Clone

Besides being their drummer most of the time, not much, I guess. Especially not now.

is moe tucker black?

porkmarras · 07.12.2006, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by khchris(original)

is moe tucker black?

CHINESE.

Savage Clone · 07.12.2006, 03:12 PM

Oh, I get it.
You're being funny.
I guess I should have said "Velvet UNDERGROUND."
I thought you might cut me some slack since I said "normal-sized type" instead of "a normal font," but I should have known I could not escape your rapier wit!

khchris(original) · 07.12.2006, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by porkmarras

CHINESE.

moe is a "she"? which one is moe tucker?

porkmarras · 07.12.2006, 03:14 PM

I can't decide.Blacks all look the same to me.

khchris(original) · 07.12.2006, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Savage Clone

Oh, I get it.
You're being funny.
I guess I should have said "Velvet UNDERGROUND."
I thought you might cut me some slack since I said "normal-sized type" instead of "a normal font," but I should have known I could not escape your rapier wit!

screamingskull · 07.12.2006, 03:15 PM

i vote Frank Zappa.

kingcoffee · 07.12.2006, 03:16 PM

Frank Zappa was pretty good, but Captain Beefheart was much better. More experimental and crazy.

khchris(original) · 07.12.2006, 03:22 PM

i don't see a whole lot of "experimentalism" from captain beefheart besides the production side of things, which was largely responsible of zappa.

really, capt. beefheart/magic band took things they liked about howlin wolf and john lee hooker and had zappa produce it all with captain's voice and lyrics. not sure where the experimentalis is in all that though.

sun city girl · 10.13.2006, 06:54 AM

beefheart of course!

Massenvernichtungswaffen · 10.13.2006, 01:31 PM

Zappa (r.i.p) and Mr. Van Vliet were very creative and knowledgeable musicians, however the difference came down to how they used that musical knowledge. Zappa was a little more (loosly-speaking) "normal" in how he wrote music. He made songs. Complex as fuck songs, but songs. Donnie boy was all about having his band use structures that didn't go together on purpose. He was more interested in art than music and wanted the sounds to depict the lyrics or the imagery of the piece.

I love em both, but I voted Beefheart, being an art-rock fan and all.

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zappa	10	23.81%
beefheart	32	76.19%
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07.12.2006, 02:49 PM	#101
khchris(original) 100% Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: LA Posts: 708	you can reply to me anytime. no need to apologize.
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07.12.2006, 02:55 PM	#102
Savage Clone invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,290	OK, so I didn't really need to go all smartass. I did appreciate the use of normal-sized type. I have actually heard virtually all of Zappa's stuff in huge doses, and Beefheart's stuff is not even close to similar. I was talking more in terms of music fans. Of course to the general population Zappa is a more high-profile figure, not being a reclusive artist who retired from music in midlife like Van Vliet, and having appeared before congress on more than one occasion. To music fans, however, I would say that Beefheart has gotten his fair share of magazine covers, career retrospective articles, deluxe reissues and the like to be deemed "no longer all that obscure." The Velvets didn't sell for shit at the time either, but I don't know anyone who considers them to be an obscure band, despite the fact that senator Coleman wouldn't know Moe Tucker if she punched him in the face (which would be pretty sweet, and I would pay good money for a photo of). That's all I was saying.
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07.12.2006, 03:06 PM	#104
Savage Clone invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,290	Besides being their drummer most of the time, not much, I guess. Especially not now.
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07.12.2006, 03:12 PM	#107
Savage Clone invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,290	Oh, I get it. You're being funny. I guess I should have said "Velvet UNDERGROUND." I thought you might cut me some slack since I said "normal-sized type" instead of "a normal font," but I should have known I could not escape your rapier wit!
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07.12.2006, 03:14 PM	#109
porkmarras invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London - UK Posts: 14,313	I can't decide.Blacks all look the same to me. __________________
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07.12.2006, 03:15 PM	#111
screamingskull invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: england Posts: 5,580	i vote Frank Zappa.
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07.12.2006, 03:16 PM	#112
kingcoffee expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,510	Frank Zappa was pretty good, but Captain Beefheart was much better. More experimental and crazy. __________________ "No way, man! Cuz dyin' would be a stone groove! Got any messages for Jimi Hendrix?" "Yes. Pick up your puppy."
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07.12.2006, 03:22 PM	#113
khchris(original) 100% Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: LA Posts: 708	i don't see a whole lot of "experimentalism" from captain beefheart besides the production side of things, which was largely responsible of zappa. really, capt. beefheart/magic band took things they liked about howlin wolf and john lee hooker and had zappa produce it all with captain's voice and lyrics. not sure where the experimentalis is in all that though.
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10.13.2006, 06:54 AM	#114
sun city girl the end of the ugly Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: finland Posts: 945	beefheart of course!
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10.13.2006, 01:31 PM	#115
Massenvernichtungswaffen stalker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: On a large piece of rock in the Ocean Posts: 403	Zappa (r.i.p) and Mr. Van Vliet were very creative and knowledgeable musicians, however the difference came down to how they used that musical knowledge. Zappa was a little more (loosly-speaking) "normal" in how he wrote music. He made songs. Complex as fuck songs, but songs. Donnie boy was all about having his band use structures that didn't go together on purpose. He was more interested in art than music and wanted the sounds to depict the lyrics or the imagery of the piece. I love em both, but I voted Beefheart, being an art-rock fan and all. __________________ Jeg kysser katastrofer.
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