[Toilet & Bowels]

under democracy a country gets the government it deserves!

[pbradley]

I see half-ripped off "This Phone Is Tapped" stickers everywhere.

They're trying to silence the right to sticker speech.

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

under democracy a country gets the government it deserves!

To quote Edward R. Murrow quoting Shakespeare, "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves."

[ZEROpumpkins]

Things like this have been going on for years.

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

under democracy a country gets the government it deserves!

old news, my friend

[tesla69]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G63FE...eature=related

[tesla69]

Caught on tape: More deputies accused of brutally beating inmate

 

 

By: Mike Deeson
Tampa, Florida- Former teacher Paul King says he used to be one of those people who said lock 'em up throw away the key.
However King has changed his mind since being arrested on public intoxication last July. A video shows deputies pushed him against a glass wall as he was being frisked, threw him to the ground for no apparent reason, held his neck back more than 2 minutes as he was being put into a restraint chair, put a hood over his face and then appeared to try to hide the action from cameras by moving paperwork to cover his head.
King says it's something like out of Guantanamo.
King says when he was out of camera view, two deputies took him out of the restraining chair and says they both started kneeing him up against a bench or a wall, as he was pleading please, please, please.
But it didn't stop there. King says they made him say you're a f***ing p***y. And he says they were hurting him so he said “ I'm a f***ing p****y and the deputies all laughed.
Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum has ordered an inquiry into all the allegations, however a spokesman for the McCollum says it is too early to determine whether these are isolated incidents or there is a pattern of abuse occurring.
But despite the fact the attorney general and the sheriff's office each launched separate investigations, some have said they fear this is an attempt to sweep things under the rug rather than to find the truth.
Attorney John Trevena, who represents some of the people claiming abuse, met with McCollum's office on Thursday and says he believes there is a need for federal oversite in this. Trevena says he hopes he is wrong but he is losing confidence in the state's ability to handle this.
And those who claim they have been abused in the jail are losing confidence in the system. King says when he was going through this he thought it was something like the Orwell novel, "1984." King says they can do whatever they want.
And critics say right now no one is stopping them.



Mike Deeson,Tampa Bay's 10 News

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by tesla69

Caught on tape: More deputies accused of brutally beating inmate

 

 

By: Mike Deeson
Tampa, Florida- Former teacher Paul King says he used to be one of those people who said lock 'em up throw away the key.
However King has changed his mind since being arrested on public intoxication last July. A video shows deputies pushed him against a glass wall as he was being frisked, threw him to the ground for no apparent reason, held his neck back more than 2 minutes as he was being put into a restraint chair, put a hood over his face and then appeared to try to hide the action from cameras by moving paperwork to cover his head.
King says it's something like out of Guantanamo.
King says when he was out of camera view, two deputies took him out of the restraining chair and says they both started kneeing him up against a bench or a wall, as he was pleading please, please, please.
But it didn't stop there. King says they made him say you're a f***ing p***y. And he says they were hurting him so he said “ I'm a f***ing p****y and the deputies all laughed.
Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum has ordered an inquiry into all the allegations, however a spokesman for the McCollum says it is too early to determine whether these are isolated incidents or there is a pattern of abuse occurring.
But despite the fact the attorney general and the sheriff's office each launched separate investigations, some have said they fear this is an attempt to sweep things under the rug rather than to find the truth.
Attorney John Trevena, who represents some of the people claiming abuse, met with McCollum's office on Thursday and says he believes there is a need for federal oversite in this. Trevena says he hopes he is wrong but he is losing confidence in the state's ability to handle this.
And those who claim they have been abused in the jail are losing confidence in the system. King says when he was going through this he thought it was something like the Orwell novel, "1984." King says they can do whatever they want.
And critics say right now no one is stopping them.



Mike Deeson,Tampa Bay's 10 News

when the president of the united states condones torture, congress looks the other way, and giuliani-time gets to campaign for the presidency, it's no wonder the minions of the state feel they have a green light to do this type of thing as well.

i wonder if there are any veterans of abu ghraib or guantánamo among those cops

[Rob Instigator]

2 + 2 = 5

[phoenix]

inter government have been spying on people since the day the technology existed. There are people with enough money/powa to get whatever they want. it happens.

[Cantankerous]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/11/nsa.phonerecords.ap/index.html

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Congressional Democrats demanded answers from the Bush administration Thursday about a report that the government secretly collected records of ordinary Americans' phone calls to build a database of every call made within the country.
"It is our government, it's not one party's government. It's America's government. Those entrusted with great power have a duty to answer to Americans what they are doing," said Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee.


so not only are they illegally wiretapping american citizen's phone calls to overseas, they are keeping a running tally on ALL the US citizens phone records. yeah, big brother got here and noone noticed. have fun. this next election will tell us whether we still live in a representative democracy or whether the assholes entrenched in power will succed in forcing us into a totalitarian police state. all it would take, and you know they ahve thougt of this, is to get another brainwahsed arab guy to try and blow up the washington monument andthen they can declare a police state and entrench dubya bush as presidente for life "until the national calamity is overcome" meaning NEVER

Hitler did the exact same thing. I am not sayng it will happen, but it has started already and if it progresses pay attention and get the fuck out the country when it does, before it is too late.

that's it. i'm out of here.

[Rob Instigator]

let's kill the california girls first cantank

[krastian]

Good news! House Democrats stood up to President Bush and defended our Constitution last week.

Here's what happened: As a national security bill moved through Congress, Bush said Democrats would be helping the terrorists if the bill didn't include retroactive immunity for lawbreaking phone companies. Such immunity would mean a "get out of jail free" card for companies that helped Bush illegally spy on the calls and emails of innocent Americans—halting lawsuits currently being heard in court.

These lawsuits may be the only way Americans ever find out how far Bush went in breaking the law. Instead of caving in, House Democrats pushed back hard. Speaker Nancy Pelosi declared, "The president is wrong, and he knows it." And on Friday, House Democrats passed the security bill without immunity for lawbreakers and with new checks and balances on the Bush administration!

MoveOn members and other progressives helped make this victory happen. Tens of thousands of phone calls and emails—and hundreds of thousands of petition signatures—demanded that Democrats stand on principle. Over the course of several months, we kept the pressure on.

The fight's not over. All eyes now turn to the Senate. But when progressives win important fights—and when Democratic elected leaders show backbone after an outpouring of public sentiment—it's important to take a step back and celebrate. Together, our activism made a big difference!

Below are two articles describing our victory in the House last week. One ran this weekend in the New York Times. The other is by former prosecutor Glenn Greenwald, blogging about the victory at Salon.


Thanks for all you do. –Nita, Adam G., Justin, Tanya, Anna, and the MoveOn.org Political Action Team
Monday, March 17th, 2008
P.S. You can see how your representative voted here. A "Yea" vote was for the good bill and against immunity for lawbreakers:

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll145.xml EXCERPTS

New York Times: "House Rejects Eavesdropping Immunity" (March 14, 2008)

WASHINGTON—After its first secret session in a quarter-century, the House on Friday rejected retroactive immunity for the phone companies that took part in the National Security Agency's warrantless eavesdropping program after the Sept. 11 attacks, and it voted to place greater restrictions on the government's wiretapping powers.
The decision, by a largely party-line vote of 213 to 197, is one of the few times when Democrats have been willing to buck up against the White House on a national security issue.

...The House bill approved Friday includes three key elements: it would refuse retroactive immunity to the phone companies, providing special authority instead for the courts to decide the liability issue; it would add additional judicial restrictions on the government's wiretapping powers while plugging certain loopholes in foreign coverage; and it would create a Congressional commission to investigate the N.S.A. program.
...House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was sharply critical of the president's assessment that the legislation would not make America safer. "The president is wrong, and he knows it," she said on Thursday.

Read the full story here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/washington/14cnd-fisa.html
Salon's Glenn Greenwald: "House Democrats reject telecom amnesty, warrantless surveillance" (March 14, 2008)
As impressive as the House vote itself was, more impressive still was the floor debate which preceded it. I can't recall ever watching a debate on the floor of either House of Congress that I found even remotely impressive—until today. One Democrat after the next—of all stripes—delivered impassioned, defiant speeches in defense of the rule of law, oversight on presidential eavesdropping, and safeguards on government spying. They swatted away the GOP's fear-mongering claims with the dismissive contempt such tactics deserve, rejecting the principle that has predominated political debate in this country since 9/11: that the threat of the Terrorists means we must live under the rule of an omnipotent President and a dismantled constitutional framework.
...It's hard not to believe that there's at least some significant sea change reflected by this. They have seen that they can defy the President even on matters of Terrorism, and the sky doesn't fall in on them. Quite the opposite: an outspoken opponent of telecom amnesty, warrantless eavesdropping and the Iraq War was just elected to the House from Denny Hastert's bright red district, and before that, Donna Edwards ousted long-time incumbent Al Wynn by accusing him of being excessively complicit with the Bush agenda.
Virtually every one I know who has expended lots of efforts and energy on these FISA and telecom issues has assumed from the start—for reasons that are all too well-known—that we would lose. And we still might. But it's hard to deny that the behavior we're seeing from House Democrats is substantially improved, quite commendably so, as compared to the last year and even before that. It's very rare when there are meaningful victories and I think it's important to acknowledge when they happen.
Read the full story here:
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=3498&id=12324-7673309-XMwBUq&t=61




This is from an email I got from Move On who are kind annoying at times...I think a friend from college signed me up for these emails a few years ago.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by Cantankerous

that's it. i'm out of here.

so I see you have discovered my route, may I interest you in some Rastafari propaganda?

http://groups.msn.com/twelvetribesliveup
http://www.nyahbinghi.org/
http://www.houseofbobo.com/

or more significantly, some Garveyite propaganda?

http://www.marcusgarvey.com/wmview.php?ArtID=401

and to seal the deal, here is some Imperial Ethiopian information to go the opposite direction of Lenin and become a monarchist rather then an anarchist..

http://www.imperialethiopia.org/selassie.htm
http://www.ethiopianorthodox.org

http://www.eotc.faithweb.com/

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

so I see you have discovered my route, may I interest you in some Rastafari propaganda?

http://groups.msn.com/twelvetribesliveup
http://www.nyahbinghi.org/
http://www.houseofbobo.com/

or more significantly, some Garveyite propaganda?

http://www.marcusgarvey.com/wmview.php?ArtID=401

and to seal the deal, here is some Imperial Ethiopian information to go the opposite direction of Lenin and become a monarchist rather then an anarchist..

http://www.imperialethiopia.org/selassie.htm
http://www.ethiopianorthodox.org

http://www.eotc.faithweb.com/

 

[!@#$%!]

ps-- krastian-- great news!

ive been keeping track of that on the wapo--

[krastian]

Not that it is new news or anything, but W has a lot of nerve to do all the shit that he does.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

 

I see you have taken serious consideration to the Rastafari anti-American platform as well?