Let's talk about shoegaze. - Page 2

atsonicpark · 11.10.2007, 09:45 AM

You don't understand the Loveless love, eh? Basically, it's the DEFINITION of shoegaze. That's why it's so highly regarded. I personally think it's not the best thing they ever did (in fact, I'd rank it near the bottom of MBV's recorded output -- the drums are too tinny and some of the vocal samples are annoying). However, Isn't Anything, in my eyes, is fucking PERFECT. I don't want to get into an argument or anything. I'm just saying.. Loveless "invented" shoegaze; maybe not INVENTED but... it's the record every other shoegaze acts rips off.

And for the record, it's the best fucking album cover ever..

Stijn · 11.10.2007, 10:58 AM

A Place To Bury Strangers deserves some checking out

gmku · 11.10.2007, 02:47 PM

I was serious when I said George Harrison started it. Check out any of his Indian influenced stuff, even the poppier songs with an Indian influence. And in songs where he deliberately slows things up, like Blue Jay Way.

PAULYBEE2656 · 11.10.2007, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

Schroeder's Cat

YES! old irish band. simon is a good buddy of mine. his new album under the title si schroeder is amazing!

atsonicpark · 11.10.2007, 05:41 PM

agreed

Jt · 11.10.2007, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Torn Curtain

Not mentioned: Kitchens of distinction

Noted. Love Is Hell.

Oh, and the track Margaret's Injection by those guys is sublime.

auto-aim · 11.11.2007, 08:56 AM

I only really, really love MBV. I know a lot of people love Slowdive, but I don't really get why they're so, so great. Boo Radleys - I've got one of their albums and I just found them really fucking annoying, though I can't say i've listened to it for a good while and maybe my tastes have refined since.... Haven't really checked out many of the others though Curve sound really cool I've been meaning to get something of theirs.. And also does anyone know if the Lilys are any good? I've heard a few things and they sound kind of like shoegaze crossbred (sorry) with the breeders or throwing muses or something like that.

PAULYBEE2656 · 11.11.2007, 11:42 AM

lilys are ok. not major...
try the pale saints, heavenly, velocity girl (only the first album)

as for boo radleys, im talking everythings alright forever and giant steps... NOT WAKE UP FUCKING BOO!

curve are good, the album cuckoo isok, doppelganger is pretty good but their album of early e.p.s is excellent, pubic fruit. anything else is twiddle twaddle oxfam bargain bin 50p territory... like most shoegaze!

auto-aim · 11.11.2007, 06:17 PM

It's C'mon Kid's that I've got... i cant bring myself around to putting it on because in a single moment in time I dont think I've hated an album more than that one.

atsonicpark · 03.20.2008, 09:41 AM

bump.

Also, "I don't understand all the loveless love"; I agree with this. It is the quintessential shoegaze album and the most influential, but it's not near as good as Isn't Anything or You Made Me Realize EP... Loveless has about 4 or 5 songs that do absolutely nothing for me.

whorefrost · 06.18.2008, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jt

Noted. Love Is Hell.

Oh, and the track Margaret's Injection by those guys is sublime.

I just came across Kitchens of Distinction on MTV2. Great stuff. Must check out an album. Also, I have heard a Bailter Space track on some compilation, it was fairly excellent.. ditto Flying Saucer Attack..

I reckon I could be quite into some shoegaze stuff, must make sure to get some of these records..

Cantankerous · 06.18.2008, 08:06 PM

loveless would sound stupid if the drums weren't "tinny"

thee heavenly music association
mbv
slowdive
curve (not shoegaze specifically but leaned towards it)
lilys
loop (also leaned toward it but don't fit in the genre)

ni'k · 06.18.2008, 08:10 PM

lush's early stuff is good. have loads of curve recs, promos and remixs and shit. the song horrorhead is GREAT. the rest is hit or miss.

the telescopes were great back in the day.

catherine wheel - overrated.

but the BEST shoegaze band of all is the swirlies. mbv shouldnt be lumped in with shoegaze at all anymore - they've got more affinity with noise.

the ikara cult · 06.18.2008, 08:16 PM

I feel slightly ashamed being a MBV fan knowing that there are this many morons who care about an effects pedal
Im going to the Roundhouse on Monday and im gonna stand at the back away from said idiots and im going to enjoy the sound.
If you want to do air guitar, Saxxon are probably doing a tour

ni'k · 06.18.2008, 08:19 PM

did you mean me or were you agreeing with me?

acousticrock87 · 06.18.2008, 10:01 PM

I dunno. I went through my MBV kick, and I still like a few choice songs--the first half of Isn't Anything is decent. But for the most part I can't stand them anymore. And I'm not trying to start shit; I completely respect that people love them. I just think, in retrospect, they're frickin annoying. I don't like his lyrics, I don't like his voice. Their infamous signature sound is, in effect, slightly tonal white noise. Same with Psychocandy. Even the Reids didn't take that CD seriously.

Sonic Youth 37 · 06.18.2008, 10:06 PM

Asobi Seksu

Also, atsonicpark mentioned Astrobrite and lovesliescrushing, these are excellent as well, although the newer lovesliescrushing is more electronic sounding, but Astrobrite is gaze to the soul.

Cantankerous · 06.18.2008, 10:35 PM

http://cdbaby.com/cd/theehma

best. ever.

Florya · 06.19.2008, 12:41 AM

spc eco

11.10.2007, 09:45 AM	#21
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	You don't understand the Loveless love, eh? Basically, it's the DEFINITION of shoegaze. That's why it's so highly regarded. I personally think it's not the best thing they ever did (in fact, I'd rank it near the bottom of MBV's recorded output -- the drums are too tinny and some of the vocal samples are annoying). However, Isn't Anything, in my eyes, is fucking PERFECT. I don't want to get into an argument or anything. I'm just saying.. Loveless "invented" shoegaze; maybe not INVENTED but... it's the record every other shoegaze acts rips off. And for the record, it's the best fucking album cover ever.. __________________
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11.10.2007, 10:58 AM	#22
Stijn bad moon rising Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 126	A Place To Bury Strangers deserves some checking out
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11.10.2007, 02:47 PM	#23
gmku invito al cielo Join Date: May 2006 Location: Oxford, England Posts: 15,225	I was serious when I said George Harrison started it. Check out any of his Indian influenced stuff, even the poppier songs with an Indian influence. And in songs where he deliberately slows things up, like Blue Jay Way. __________________ Ever notice how this place just basically, well, sucks.
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11.10.2007, 05:41 PM	#25
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	agreed __________________
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11.11.2007, 08:56 AM	#27
auto-aim the destroyed room Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Wales Posts: 650	I only really, really love MBV. I know a lot of people love Slowdive, but I don't really get why they're so, so great. Boo Radleys - I've got one of their albums and I just found them really fucking annoying, though I can't say i've listened to it for a good while and maybe my tastes have refined since.... Haven't really checked out many of the others though Curve sound really cool I've been meaning to get something of theirs.. And also does anyone know if the Lilys are any good? I've heard a few things and they sound kind of like shoegaze crossbred (sorry) with the breeders or throwing muses or something like that. __________________ His Naked Torso
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11.11.2007, 11:42 AM	#28
PAULYBEE2656 invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: wexford, rep of ireland Posts: 6,930	lilys are ok. not major... try the pale saints, heavenly, velocity girl (only the first album) as for boo radleys, im talking everythings alright forever and giant steps... NOT WAKE UP FUCKING BOO! curve are good, the album cuckoo isok, doppelganger is pretty good but their album of early e.p.s is excellent, pubic fruit. anything else is twiddle twaddle oxfam bargain bin 50p territory... like most shoegaze! __________________ myspace facebook *twitter*
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11.11.2007, 06:17 PM	#29
auto-aim the destroyed room Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Wales Posts: 650	It's C'mon Kid's that I've got... i cant bring myself around to putting it on because in a single moment in time I dont think I've hated an album more than that one. __________________ His Naked Torso
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03.20.2008, 09:41 AM	#30
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	bump. Also, "I don't understand all the loveless love"; I agree with this. It is the quintessential shoegaze album and the most influential, but it's not near as good as Isn't Anything or You Made Me Realize EP... Loveless has about 4 or 5 songs that do absolutely nothing for me. __________________
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06.18.2008, 08:06 PM	#32
Cantankerous invito al cielo Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A RETIREMENT HOME Posts: 18,499	loveless would sound stupid if the drums weren't "tinny" thee heavenly music association mbv slowdive curve (not shoegaze specifically but leaned towards it) lilys loop (also leaned toward it but don't fit in the genre) __________________ RETIRED
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06.18.2008, 08:10 PM	#33
ni'k invito al cielo Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,360	lush's early stuff is good. have loads of curve recs, promos and remixs and shit. the song horrorhead is GREAT. the rest is hit or miss. the telescopes were great back in the day. catherine wheel - overrated. but the BEST shoegaze band of all is the swirlies. mbv shouldnt be lumped in with shoegaze at all anymore - they've got more affinity with noise.
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06.18.2008, 08:16 PM	#34
the ikara cult invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London sink Posts: 4,576	I feel slightly ashamed being a MBV fan knowing that there are this many morons who care about an effects pedal Im going to the Roundhouse on Monday and im gonna stand at the back away from said idiots and im going to enjoy the sound. If you want to do air guitar, Saxxon are probably doing a tour __________________ "It is absolutely ridiculous, they are behaving like a cult" - The Vatican
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06.18.2008, 08:19 PM	#35
ni'k invito al cielo Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,360	did you mean me or were you agreeing with me?
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06.18.2008, 10:01 PM	#36
acousticrock87 invito al cielo Join Date: May 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,515	I dunno. I went through my MBV kick, and I still like a few choice songs--the first half of Isn't Anything is decent. But for the most part I can't stand them anymore. And I'm not trying to start shit; I completely respect that people love them. I just think, in retrospect, they're frickin annoying. I don't like his lyrics, I don't like his voice. Their infamous signature sound is, in effect, slightly tonal white noise. Same with Psychocandy. Even the Reids didn't take that CD seriously.
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06.18.2008, 10:06 PM	#37
Sonic Youth 37 invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: if there is a bright spot in the universe, the farthest point from it Posts: 9,443	Asobi Seksu Also, atsonicpark mentioned Astrobrite and lovesliescrushing, these are excellent as well, although the newer lovesliescrushing is more electronic sounding, but Astrobrite is gaze to the soul. __________________ "One: Where's the fife? and Two: Gimme the fife."
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06.18.2008, 10:35 PM	#38
Cantankerous invito al cielo Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A RETIREMENT HOME Posts: 18,499	http://cdbaby.com/cd/theehma best. ever. __________________ RETIRED
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06.19.2008, 12:41 AM	#39
Florya expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: a little world, all of my own. Posts: 1,668	spc eco __________________ it takes an old guy like bloodbeach'85 to get anything right - atari 2600 listening mirror @ Soundcloud http://soundcloud.com/listening-mirror
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