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Old 12.15.2007, 12:12 AM   #41
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Old 12.15.2007, 08:14 AM   #43
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Wow a non-trying desperately to out obscure everybody else post. But no Hitchcock really is fucking amazing.

As for me. I'll post some up tomorrow. Taking some thinking. Has a director ever not made a bad film?

Maybe we should start a simpler directors thread, w/out the gushing or pics. I feel bad inserting commentaries into dedications. (but not bad enough not to do it, I guess).

Because this is an interesting point. It seems that any director who makes more than, say, five movies is bound to have a real dud in there. I'd like to suggest that filmmaking is extrodinarily difficult and is often made by commitee. It seems that 10,000 things can (and often do) go wrong in the production, things that are out of the director's control. Also, we all have a bad year, and it's unfortunate that a director's bad year might be etched onto a film forever.

Maybe we should judge directors not by how many good ones they made, but by how few bad ones they made. In which case Fellini, Godard, Woody Allen and a host of others wouldn't make the cut. Bergman, tho, would still be standing strong, who's made maybe 5 or 6 crap movies out of, like, 40 something.
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Old 12.15.2007, 08:48 AM   #44
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Welles only made on crap film: The Stranger. It was supposed to show Hollywood that yes he could go along with the studios and do everything they told him to do without complaint.
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Old 12.15.2007, 09:09 AM   #45
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Old 12.15.2007, 09:31 AM   #46
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Maybe we should start a simpler directors thread, w/out the gushing or pics. I feel bad inserting commentaries into dedications. (but not bad enough not to do it, I guess).

Because this is an interesting point. It seems that any director who makes more than, say, five movies is bound to have a real dud in there. I'd like to suggest that filmmaking is extrodinarily difficult and is often made by commitee. It seems that 10,000 things can (and often do) go wrong in the production, things that are out of the director's control. Also, we all have a bad year, and it's unfortunate that a director's bad year might be etched onto a film forever.

Maybe we should judge directors not by how many good ones they made, but by how few bad ones they made. In which case Fellini, Godard, Woody Allen and a host of others wouldn't make the cut. Bergman, tho, would still be standing strong, who's made maybe 5 or 6 crap movies out of, like, 40 something.

I'll add one more person to that. Spieldberg. And yes I do mean that. Anyone who pretty much diagrees should really get his head out of his arse as he's proven himself to be one hell of a director and able to make a movie, big or small. His bad films are probably 1941, Empire of the sun was not one I enjoyed and Hook is another one.

 
Kubrick is another guy whose list of bad films are minimal. Although I will say that I've not seen any of his films made before Spartacus. His films fom Spartacus onwards rarely dip below brilliant.
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Old 12.15.2007, 12:04 PM   #47
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Old 12.15.2007, 03:08 PM   #48
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Old 12.15.2007, 06:04 PM   #49
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KUBRICK- In his 44 year career, he made a grand total of 12 films, most of which he produced himself. Great way to keep the crap factor down. Smart guy. The one before Spartacus (1960) was Paths of Glory (1957), which is a masterpiece. Check it out, but be warned: it packs quite an emotional wallop.

WELLES- Although I can't call The Trial or Mr. Arkadian or Othello or Chimes at Midnight "great," they are interesting failures. I guess another way to judge a director is to ask: how interesting are the not-great ones?

JARMUCSH- Have you seen Permanent Vacation? It's the one he made before Stranger Than Paradise. He's tried to pretend that he didn't make it but he did and it sucks. It's a hard one to track down and not at all worth it.

WARHOL- Are you fucking kidding? When I get too excited watching paint dry, I pop in one of his flicks to calm my nerves. Works every time.
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Old 12.15.2007, 11:26 PM   #50
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Hey now, Kubrick made two films before Paths of Glory: Killer's Kiss (1955) and The Killing (1956). Haven't seen Killer's Kiss but The Killing is a fine noir.
Despite being a Salkind production The Trial is a good film; Mr. Arkadin was taken away from Welles during editing; You try making a professional film at the start of the 1950s with your own money after the studio goes bankrupt and see if its as good as Othello; I don't know what you're talking about when you call Chimes at Midnight an "interesting failure".
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Old 12.16.2007, 10:30 AM   #52
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The "Kill" movies are fine. Paths is outstanding.

Welles had to deal with so much shit, poor guy. Even by his second, he was getting fucked with by the studios, who inserted a "new and improved" ending. Still, the films are what the films are. We all have to live with it. I totally agree that, although Othello is a bit painful to watch, I could never make it. He ALWAYS gets an "A" for effort.

"Interesting failure" means that one leaves the film unsatisfied, but there's enough in the film to warrant a viewing or two. I don't like The Trial, for example, but the wonderful image of K swimming in a pile of books has been seared into my mind, among other outstanding bits.
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Old 12.16.2007, 12:10 PM   #53
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At the time the 132 minute workprint of Ambersons was screened for a test audience, Welles was down in South America on some bizarro expedition making a documentary for Uncle Sam without any sort of directive on what he was supposed to do; it ended up never seeing the light of day. The response to that uncut print and the apocalyptic collapse of the South American sojourn dogged his career for decades.
I still disagree, I was completely satisfied by Chimes at Midnight. Maybe you were so overwhelmed by the depiction of the Battle of Shrewsbury you were unable to process the rest of the film?
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Old 12.16.2007, 03:04 PM   #54
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fuck no, fuck no, fuck no-- i was going to pick him to start my "post a picture of your most hated directors" thread. the suck who made forrest gump, polar express, and now that turd beowulf? motherfucker needs to DIE. DIE. or change careers.

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WELLES- Although I can't call The Trial or Mr. Arkadian or Othello or Chimes at Midnight "great," they are interesting failures.

are you on fucking crack? the trial one of the most brilliant movies ever.
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Old 12.17.2007, 01:02 PM   #55
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^ Hm. Maybe the problem is I WASN'T on crack. Might've helped.

But here's the good news: I would watch it again. Same with Chimes. I might even look forward to the experience. I have a ton of personal examples of films that I liked/didn't, and then saw years later and didn't/liked. Film's funny that way.
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