[atsonicpark]

Yeah, exactly, I don't like that genre at all, but the few serious bands I do like in that genre (Iron Bitchface, Gigantic Brain) just completely blow Genghis Tron away.

[Inhuman]

close one between Jane Doe and No Heroes. I went with Jane Doe

[atsonicpark]

You know what's really cool about jane doe?

Theremin.

[batreleaser]

u dont like agoraphobic?

[uhler]

Originally Posted by batreleaser

u dont like agoraphobic?

i tried to like them for a bit, but i just couldn't get into them.

[batreleaser]

thats a shame, theyre awesome.

[Everyneurotic]

-ï don't think genghis tron are cybergrind, they're like a hardcore metal band with blastbeats and tons of sequences. they might not sound innovative but they write good songs or tracks...actually, they remind me of the prodigy in a weird way.

-gigantic brain, ganglia...that's cybergrind, you listen to them and it's unmistakable grindcore shit played with tons of programming and few guitars, if any. it's hard to explain and i feel like an idiot trying to define cybergrind.

-agoraphobic nosebleed, i like in small doses, i can only listen to like ten songs at once, i get sick of them really fast. that said, their cover of voivod's "forgotten in space" is one of the best covers ever made.

[atsonicpark]

You do raise a good point: Genghis Tron themselves don't identify with cybergrind, but ... their music still IS grindcore type stuff over sequenced/Fruity Loops stuff... and every review/description you read says "grindcore meets pop". I think their first EP, which got me interested, was marketing by their label as "brutal truth meets Erasure" or something. So, I'd definitely lump it in there, though yes, it is a bit.. more metal than grind.

And yeah Agoraphobic Nosebleed wear out pretty quickly. I'd like to mention Gigantic Brain again here, because they have a sound that never gets old to me.

OH, I just checked the wikipedia and I might as well paste, it perfectly sums up our conversation here:

"Genghis Tron is a three-piece experimental metal band formed in Poughkeepsie, NY and currently based out of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania currently signed to Relapse Records. Genghis Tron is noted for their creative combination of metal and grindcore with different types of electronic music. Although early on the band was often classified as cybergrind, Genghis Tron has since developed a more diverse sound, which includes elements of IDM, power noise, doom, industrial, ambient, in addition to their core style of synth-laden metal/grindcore."

So, yeah, I tend to agree, their early stuff definitely is cybergrindy (with pop) and Dead Mountain Mouth seemed to move more into extreme metal kind of stuff, and I didn't bother with anything after that.

[atsonicpark]

Oh yeah, and Scissor Shock always gets lumped in with "Cybergrind" too, though we're clearly not. I think it's kind of a just token description for any inhumanly fast, screamy, programmed type stuff.

[batreleaser]

true, ganglia is amazing. but i fucking love agoraphobic nosebleed. grindcore is pretty much the only extreme metal music that is still breeding tons and tons of creative music. i honestly thing pig destroyer's phantom limb was one of last years top ten best records. death metal is dying pretty hard, the only good black metal is the ambient electronic burzum influenced stuff, like xasthur for example, but grindcore just keep on gettin better.

[Everyneurotic]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

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So, yeah, I tend to agree, their early stuff definitely is cybergrindy (with pop) and Dead Mountain Mouth seemed to move more into extreme metal kind of stuff, and I didn't bother with anything after that.

agreed wholeheartedly.

board up the house is tons more ambient and probably why most people don't like them anymore.

i love how grind is metal by default but it's not really metal yet it's very extreme, i love it.

[therealglenstyler]

I go: jane doe

then
no heroes
petitioning the empty sky

mind bogglingly good live.

[Everyneurotic]

i love the dirgey moments and (above all) the flow on jane doe.

[batreleaser]

i didnt much like you fail me at all, no heroes was decent, not great. i think they definitley peaked on jane doe recording wise. live they keep gettin better. they defintiley have a couple great records to be made in them though.

[Everyneurotic]

i love you fail me, i loved that they took a left turn in that one and did more "ambient" sort of stuff in it, but it's still hard and there some great songs and riffs in it.

no heroes, it didn't really grab me and in fairness, i haven't given it a lot of listening, though i have heard when forever... even less and now i appreciate it.

[atsonicpark]

Some interesting things about you fail me... the last song on it sounds like if Fugazi covered a Mastodon song or something... listen to it again.. it's pretty funny if you think that. also, the first song reminds me of pink magit by deftones.. probably just the distortion on it and the way it's played...

[Everyneurotic]

hehehehe, that's the crunch, that distortion you're talking about; it's basically roled back distortion so it's very saturated but quiet. i used to do that in my former band.

the deftones guitar player had ibanez build him a pedal so he could duplicate the sound in a hurry.

[_slavo_]

I'm listening to Jane Doe now.

Ah, the fucking headache.

<F8>

[atsonicpark]

Something weird and kinda off topic.

The dude from Deftones has his own specially-made seven string guitars and Dillinger Escape Plan play them (or at least played them on Miss Machine). I always found that kinda odd. Not so much that Dillinger would play 7 strings but would play the custom models originall made for the Deftones guy.

Also, there's an interview on Mark Prindle's page about everyone in Dillinger being big into Incubus.

Okay, back to Converge..

[Everyneurotic]

dude from the deftones had also custom made 8 string guitars, i think that's like getting 11 on your amp dials.

my theory on dillinger escape plan: they became senile, maybe all their onstage injuries decreased their hormones or whatever in their bodies and since miss machine, have started going the path of the old. it's like they don't even remember who they used to be. "ire works is our masterpiece, the album we'll be remembered for".

anyhoo, speaking of guitars, i love how kurt ballow plays this really non metal guitars like rickenbacker and danelectroc and yet has one of the heaviest sounds ever.